Seeing those 2 MPV s from the taupo crash makes you wonder how they get 5 star saftey ratings . All forward control 'vans are death traps in a head on , guess its all the acronyms they have that give them the rating . Remember when they were just called vans they were all considered lethal .
muzz67,
Oct 12, 5:43am
Pretty sure they both had reasonably long noses on them before the crash, ie motors in front or seats,not underneath. A true forward would have been much much worse.
gunhand,
Oct 12, 5:55am
Guessing, but at prob close to 100kph v 100kph you would prob need 20 stars to survive a head on. All the safety devices in the world only work to certain extent, then physics and good luck take over.
db.price,
Oct 12, 6:42am
This - intertia is a bitch
intrade,
Oct 12, 6:50am
like i said the problem is not going over the posted speed limmit. The problem is if you cant drive for $hit . The tv adverts about having 100 tousend airbag lane assist stability control , dont save your live they make morons think they can drive eaven more like idiots because so far the electronics always saved there Live. And when it dont it ends up just like that. You are dead no matter what if you hit a brik wall at 70kph the airbags snap your neck regardless. But hey trust the f--wi-s and morons to buy a supposed save car. greate god from me if he exists .
berg,
Oct 12, 7:52am
Secondary and tertiary impacts. If you look at the photos of both vehicles the cabin areas are actually remarkably intact considering the impact. Problem is, the wet soggy bit inside is not designed to take such impacts. Crumple zones and airbags, both massively life saving in their own rights, can only do so much. Impact like that will be crating somewhere over 20 plus g on a body mass. The body is not equipped to handle that.
stevo2,
Oct 12, 7:57am
Nor is it designed to take the impact of unrestrained suitcases in the rear.
thejazzpianoma,
Oct 12, 8:46am
One of them was a Lafesta. don't even have teh basics like a 3 point seatbelt in the rear. JDM rubbish like that simply shouldn't be allowed to be imported in my opinion. They are just not built to sensible safety standards and also not designed for our speed/terrain.
If it's not suitable for export to western countries new, it's not suitable for export here used.
davidgb,
Oct 12, 11:44am
Out of curiosity, what models was the other vehicle?
therafter1,
Oct 12, 5:31pm
There is a pic of it in this mornings herald and it looks like a Toyota Previa/Estima/Emina.
" like a 3 point seatbelt in the rear." Is that where one of the people who died was sitting?
therafter1,
Oct 12, 5:41pm
Don’t get me wrong and I’m not suggesting it was the cause, but in a thread running in general I mentioned that the handling of these types of vehicles (the Previa type in particular) seems to be affected by incorrect wheel and tyre sizes, tyre quality and wear (particularly in adverse conditions) and I notice in that pic that both vehicles appear to be wearing aftermarket rims, and in the case of the Previa a combination of an after market rim and low profile tyres.
tamarillo,
Oct 12, 6:21pm
Buy Volvo.
therafter1,
Oct 12, 6:27pm
Funny you should say that. There is a chart in this mornings stuff with international death rates per million people and Sweden is 3 from the lowest. Can't imagine that all everyone drives over there is Volvo's tho lol
Airbags don't snap your neck. That is caused by inertia. The head is a pretty weighty thing.
As for the newer safety features such as lane keep assist, lane departure warning and smart automatic braking systems those are all designed to ensure that accidents don't happen. Especially where a car drifts into an oncoming lane due to driver fatigue or inattention . They are not there to take over from the driver but assist.
Crossing the double yellows. Says it all really. So sad.
Remember that the late, great, Rodger Freeth died, even though solidly strapped in. The human body can only survive so much.
For a really bad one, read up about the late David Purley's F1 crash. He survived that then died in an aircraft accident.
therafter1,
Oct 12, 8:47pm
When I was still working in the auto industry I had a lady customer with a late model low Km Hyundai Tucson bring her vehicle in complaining that there was either something wrong with the brakes, steering or both. I drove the vehicle on the roads in the area of the workshop, none of which presented any challenges and couldn’t find any issues with either. I ventured further and drove the vehicle more enthusiastically on a country road and the stability control program kicked in. It turned out that they had recently moved to a rural location on a winding country road. As she had become more familiar with the road she had started to drive the road in a more enthusiastic manner. I suggested to her as an experiment that she moderate her enthusiasm a little as the stability control program could be picking up her more enthusiastic driving manner on the road as loss of control and to come back to me to see if it solved the problem. She called in a week or two later and said that the problem was solved and it appeared that it was the stability control program that was causing the issue. Sometimes this type of technology is good (read when you have incompetent drivers at the helm), and sometimes not so good.
gamefisher,
Oct 12, 9:59pm
It is all do do with dispersing kinetic energy most people do not realise the change in the kinetic energy of the object as the speed changes is proportional to the square of the factor by which the speed changes. For example if the speed of the object becomes double, its kinetic energy changes to four times the initial kinetic energy.
intrade,
Oct 12, 10:09pm
Your logic is 1kilogramm is not a kilogramm its a liter of water. and that i am wrong that a kilo is a kilo. it makes absolute no sense only a troll or a moron would come up with such a idea. At 70kph the force propelling you forward in a full instant stop like hitting the wall proppells you forward harder then the airbag can inflate and absorb energy. you punch thru the bag and snap your neck. 1 liter of water is 1kg also.
db.price,
Oct 12, 10:11pm
My car has lane keep assist and if he had to "fight" to keep from hitting the cyclist I would suggest he needs to go to the gym. That system only requires a small amount of force to override it. That or he could have simply used his indicator as he went around the cyclist which if he had to cross into the other lane he should have anyway.
db.price,
Oct 12, 10:16pm
English isn't your first language is it?
Where did I comment that 1kg was heaver than another? I commented that the head on an average person weighs around 11kgs but is supported by a narrow tube of bone an muscle that can not stop it flying forward in an accident. It is THAT force the breaks the neck not the airbag.
For someone "intrade" you are a idiot. Please advise what garage you run so that I can avoid it at all costs.
Also to add there should never be an instance where someone should go "through" an airbag as the seatbelt is designed to stop that happening along with pretensioners in the mechanism to hold you back as much as possible.
I'm not arguing with you, I simply posted some links that may be of interest. Many vehicle owners do not read (or do not have) the owners manuals for the vehicles and consequently they are not always familiar with many of the systems/functions available to them in the vehicle, how to over ride those systems etc, and not all drivers of any type of vehicle are muscle bound apes nor have the intelligence to quickly deal with any situations that arise out of the blue . which one suspects was all the gentleman concerned was trying to do by going to the media in regard to the incident.
In regard to indicating that you are leaving your lane to provide the mandatory space to a cyclist. When I'm providing that mandatory space to cyclists (and pedestrians) and I have no approaching/following traffic then I do not indicate as I have no one to indicate to, the cyclist isn't going to see my indication if they have their back to me as they don't usually have rear vision mirrors.
db.price,
Oct 12, 10:27pm
I could suggest that the lady in question setting off the TCS and stability progammes on the car points to the fact that she was riding the ragged edge of control and had those systems not been working she likely would have ended up if a ditch, pilled into a tree or another car.
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