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muppet_slayer, Apr 18, 9:11pm

That's a moot point. That's like saying would he have even been there if the other rider was not.

muppet_slayer, Apr 18, 9:14pm

and he possibly could have, we will never know. He might have been a speeder regardless of who or what was around him.

bumfacingdown, Apr 18, 9:29pm

And it was manslaughter, no may in that plea.
Your whole argument is based on may

muppet_slayer, Apr 18, 9:35pm

and?

bumfacingdown, Apr 18, 9:48pm

No may
"Jacques John Francis De Reeper, a 64-year-old sickness beneficiary, admitted charges of manslaughter and dangerous driving"

muppet_slayer, Apr 18, 9:51pm

It could be a guilty plea with extenuating circumstances somewhat nullifying the seriousness of the guilty plea, and he could get off quite lightly. Obviously he played a part in the deceased death but to what extent is the question. The only thing he is really guilty of is being there at the time of the crash.

bumfacingdown, Apr 18, 9:54pm

Yes, maybe you could be right

muppet_slayer, Apr 18, 10:00pm

Will be interesting to find out what he does get.

apollo11, Apr 18, 10:22pm

If manslaughter can be pinned on someone who, through their actions, encouraged someone else to take a risk that cost them their life, then we can extend that definition to cover all sorts of areas of sport and recreation.

gunhand, Apr 18, 10:43pm

alowishes, Apr 19, 2:25am

And how many crashed?

redhead18, Apr 19, 10:47am

I was standing on side of a quite road the other day ( I do actually do this LOL) and I heard motorcycles approaching at speed. They flew past me doing some insane speed. As it was a straight I could see them for a while before they got to me so as they passed I gave them both a big ol thumbs up. Unfortunately one lost control for what ever reason just after they past me and crashed in a very nasty way and sadly died. Do I expect a visit from the police now and be charged in relation to this since I hung around till they got there.
You have to wonder. I mean I was encouraging them after all.

Gunnie me old mate-that camry ya parked is juss-well fer sure ya gunna get a visit from da 5/0 get charged with manslaughter and well.

Become as notorious as ole Uncle Arthur.

Ya know dat fulla from Pukekawawa dat the ole blue gang decided to plant a cartridge case and charge im

Maybe one day one of em will buy a camry and charge Mr Bruce Hutton with a CRIME-Albeit .
Planting a cartridge case made years after the the murder. mmmmmmm

hotrodpete, Jun 3, 11:16pm

9 months home detention and loss of license for 2 years

ronaldo8, Jun 4, 12:11am

You think its a leap?

Its a leap to assume that a manslaughter charge can only arise from direct physical interaction and not behaviour.

I.E your behavior directly leads to the death of another. E.G. encouraging your pissed friend to drive and to give it heaps, rather than take their keys off them, or these evil pricks that get their jollies talking there victims into killing themselves, although that may be argued as murder as there is deliberate intent rather than just foreseeable consequence.

ronaldo8, Jun 4, 12:19am

But fortunately the law is not empirical and absolute in nature, because it can't be, and so judges and juries wrestle with words like "reasonably"

As they always have done, and long may they continue to do so.

alowishes, Jun 4, 2:13am

Not sure what that has to do with the thread topic?
Ah well.

ronaldo8, Jun 4, 5:01am

Not to mention the difficulty of charging someone eight years dead with a crime.

It's a boggle. o.O

smallwoods, Jun 4, 9:24am

Or police looking after drunk people?

nice_lady, Jun 4, 7:12pm

Who really was the author of this motorcyclists misfortune ?
Who was twisting the throttle ?

He's paid the price. How the hell the 'system' can find another party guilty of manslaughter in this case escapes me and potentially tips a very large can of worms down a slippery slope !

mrfxit, Jun 4, 7:35pm

Sounds a bit like 'mates helping mates' situation.
Perhaps the amount of peer pressure on the dead guy is what prompted the charge.
I have heard of that being used in other cases where social/ mates peer pressure has been so dramatic & compelling for the victim, that it's been brought in by the prosecution/ defence, as a substantial part of the case

dublo, Jun 4, 8:27pm

And now we have a 50 km/h limit on a nice curvy stretch of highway between Rotorua and Paengaroa, and 80 most of the way on SH1 around Lake Taupo. NZTA are now talking about giving most of the Napier-Taupo highway an 80 speed limit "to make it safer." Oh well, we have those two 110 km/h expressways (Bay of Plenty and around Cambridge) but even at 110 they are BORING!

richynuts, Jun 4, 8:43pm

I have to agree that there needs to be some charge towards the defendant. He was caught red handed on a camera passing at high speed back and fourth. I myself have sped with a mate or two. you do get caught up in a bit of trying to race each other or show off a bit.
When riding on your own your much more sensible and stick to the speed limit

gazzat22, Jun 4, 8:53pm

Whoever said "The law is an Ass" got it right.Seems its always someone else,s fault.What would the judgement/penalty be if he was a 50 year old unemployed/beneficiary I wonder.

nice_lady, Jun 4, 8:57pm

The Cambridge section is VERY short.
As for slower is safer - well of course it is. But where do you stop. And WTF is happening all of the sudden with this stuff. I've seen situations on tv and in the news where communities, schools, etc have BEGGED WhakaKissMyAss Dept to slow down the speed of traffic in certain places and had to fight for YEARS and then it didn't happen a lot of the time. I"ve had personal experience of this when we tried to get the speed reduced in an area of Ruakaka. NO they said. But now, all of a sudden, they're goin crazy nation wide. Why ? And why before was it something they very rarely did - even when communities wanted it ? Just doesn't make sense and smacks of some hidden politically driven agenda.

gazzat22, Jun 4, 9:03pm

They have to be seen to be doing something.Its all for appearances.!

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