Yeah tax deductible. Whatever. SOMEONE is paying. And if it's a commercial then that'll be the customers. The woman is stupid.
sr2,
Jun 22, 5:23am
I'll have to apologize for being a male; how could you misogynists' even dare to criticize the PC goddess of fertility, cultural compassion and political transparency?
tygertung,
Jun 22, 6:34am
I think that cars have their place, but for personal transport in an urban setting, well they are not really the optimal tool for the job.
It is pretty wasteful to use a whole car for just one person. The vehicle weight to payload ratio is very poor. Moving 1500 kg of steel and plastic to move 80 kg of person isn't good from a physics perspective.
nice_lady,
Jun 22, 6:44am
Works for me 👍
s_nz,
Jun 22, 6:45am
She is still proposing that the scheme be cost neutral and just to swing the balance a more in favor of lower emissions cars.
Nothing car hating about that.
She does raise a valid point that our fee's on high emitting vehicles are relatively low compared to the value of the vehicle ($830 fee on the $70k navara that our leader of the opposition was photographed with with a slogan attaching the scheme), and compared to other locations.
soundsgood,
Jun 22, 7:23am
In Wellington during the day there are many buses running around empty of with just a couple of people on. I wonder what their daily average kg per km is?
franc123,
Jun 22, 7:32am
Yeah but thats public transport so thats perfectly OK. A similar thing occurs in Chch too, yet by golly if you drive your smoky old diesel Pajero down Lambton quay you should be slapped wirh a congestion charge and/or put in prison for twenty years for environmental crimes. Lets of course not forget how Wellingtons buses USED to be powered. Why was this silly woman and the rest of her party not assaulting the workers removing the wiring network with leafy birch branches? Or were they all yet again at a climate change conference in Brussels? Can't remember.
tygertung,
Jun 22, 7:33am
But they may be busy during other times.
Would you propose that there are smaller buses during times of low usage and larger buses during peak times?
absolute_detail,
Jun 22, 7:48am
i was thinking that today, work is just across the rd from a train station that no one uses and empty big buses running in and out all day. So much efficiency
bill1451,
Jun 22, 7:54am
She needs taking down(metaphorically),completel- y bonkers and like most of her ilk, completely out of touch with how farmers, contractors and tradies actually work in the real world,perched up in their glasswalled beehive with unrealistic goals while China and USA pump out ever more CO2 stuck up
tygertung,
Jun 22, 8:07am
You are bonkers, not everyone is "farmers, contractors and tradies" and their situation doesn't apply to everyone. The extra fee is pretty small and is tax deductible anyway so you don't actually have to pay it as it comes out of your tax.
absolute_detail,
Jun 22, 8:13am
And a lot of these evs have increased in price so whats the point in taking money from one group and wasting it on another
tygertung,
Jun 22, 8:21am
The problem with EV cars, and pretty much all cars, is that they are too heavy. Using one of these heavy vehicles for personal transport is very inefficient. You'd be better off with a motorbike or a scooter or electric bike or pushbike or something.
Leave the heavy vehicles for commercial use.
pico42,
Jun 22, 8:32am
You, and many others, misunderstand the point of no subsidies for those vehicles and consequently annoying the farmers, contractors and tradesmen. Their reaction isn’t just against the govt, pushing back on the regs; their reaction will also be directed towards car dealers and in turn car manufacturers to accelerate viable EV options for those class of vehicles. Govt is relying on that.
franc123,
Jun 22, 8:49am
The fly in that C02 storm is that the big multinationals in the car industry who individually exceed our GDP just in the value of cars couldnt give a damn what happens down here. NZ isnt anybodys supply priority and hot air out of local politicians pretending to be world leaders is probably a source of amusement more than anything else. Make it too difficult and they will pull the plug on the local market completely. NZ and Australia combined is still smaller than California alone.
randsdyson,
Jun 22, 9:11am
Personal choice I have a car and I will use it.
soundsgood,
Jun 22, 4:35pm
Yes trains would have much the same issue, and possibly worse. Running with few people most of the time making for a very expensive cost per person/Km and higher emissions per traveler.
Supporters never like to have their myopia challenged.
tygertung,
Jun 22, 6:03pm
No, the trains are very popular. Car obsessed people need to get some glasses and see further than their dashboard.
cjohnw,
Jun 22, 6:38pm
You obviously have not seen some of her other anti car comments! Like calling motorists “petrol nazi’s”. She has actually declared before she is anti cars.
gazzat22,
Jun 22, 7:09pm
Like lots of people I would prefer to not use a car but the public transport system through out NZ is so pathetic most of us lesser beings have no alternative to using a car to get to where they want to,when they want to.
tygertung,
Jun 22, 7:12pm
Oh, sort of like using a whole car for just one person? Moving 1500kg of steel and plastic to move 80kg of person?
nice_lady,
Jun 22, 7:19pm
No public transport available for hubby's work, and work requires callouts at times so any thing slower than a car is out, and a preference to NOT spend a chunk of our retirement savings on another vehicle when our two cars are perfectly fine
Go electric ? Nah.
tygertung,
Jun 22, 7:21pm
Certainly, but not everyone is in your husbands situation.
socram,
Jun 22, 7:31pm
It works in some cities, but the problem with that is the capital and maintenance cost of having a fleet 50% larger - and that in its own gobbles up more resources to create it.
They are already short of bus drivers and let's be brutally honest, public transport is NOT available 24/7 and the cost of a private car lying idle and al expenses are borne by the owner, not the taxpayer.
The majority of private cars are not gas guzzlers - except when stuck in slow moving traffic - jams usually created by public servants.
Maybe if JAG had to go to Mitre 10, or the garden centre for ongoing DiY projects and maintenance, or do the family shop more often, she'd realise that private vehicles are the most efficient, cheapest and convenient method.
As a long time self employed with clients scattered throughout the country, and rarely more than one or two days in the same location in any given week, of course I'll be the only occupant - but the cost of running a motorbike was prohibitive and too restrictive, so a car is the only method of getting to most of them by 7:30am.
Not many 80kg people around these days either.
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