Everyone makes the occasional error. Some people make many errors and really ARE idiots. It's easy enough to pick them out of the other road users. They do some REALLY dumb things. And if you have to follow them for any length of time they repeatedly drive badly.
philltauranga,
Apr 27, 8:03pm
WAKA-KOTAHI says because the average speed for the proposed 80kmh section is only 81kmh so: Estimated increase in mean travel time=41 seconds lol. riigghhhhtto then, totally convincing. I would like to see them put up a detailed video explaining how they get these average speed figures they use to justify the speed limit changes they are making around the country, I bet it will be full of smoke and mirror horse5hit.
bill-robinson,
Apr 27, 8:17pm
that is not bad speed in a canoe.
philltauranga,
Apr 27, 8:18pm
sorry bill just edited by adding another sentence.
alowishes,
Apr 27, 8:42pm
We weren’t ‘fine’, road deaths were appalling.
tygertung,
Apr 27, 8:58pm
I dare say the average (mean) speed was only 81 as you can't travel at a constant speed of 100 due to having to slow down for corners. If the limit is 80, you can remain at a more constant speed, you don't have to keep jamming on the brakes.
philltauranga,
Apr 27, 9:22pm
tygertung with you living in Chch we can assume you are familiar with the road in its current state? There are only a hand full of tight or blind corners where you would need to go any slower than 80 in a car on a normal day. The proposed change to 80kmh covers about half the distance between Napier and Taupo, so I dare say bull5hit to their average speed calculations.
tygertung,
Apr 27, 10:33pm
I'm thinking of the road between Blenheim and Nelson, maybe we are thinking of different roads?
But often if a vehicle needs to slow for corners, intersections and other things it can reduce the average speed.
philltauranga,
Apr 27, 10:50pm
Some roads it may be justified but the the Napier-Taupo section they are talking about, naaa. I doubt it would be anywhere near 81kmh for an average. Aside from a few tight corners and short sections of windy bits, most of the corners through there could be taken at 80 safely, between the corners 100 no problem. I am veryfukn dubious about their claims 81kmh is the average for that half of the Napier-Taupo Rd.
philltauranga,
Apr 27, 11:31pm
Perhaps they just use googlymaps for their time-distance-average speed calculations. LOL I find their times almost bang on. for a fully loaded 40-50ton truck, that is speed limited to 90kmh.
bumfacingdown,
Apr 28, 1:15am
But offer no counter calculation to prove what you say
philltauranga,
Apr 28, 1:58am
I haven't been through there in a car since the end of March, but my opinion is based on the hundreds of times I have done it over the years in a truck. Google map time-distance that proposed area and low and behold its approximately - 1hr travel = 80km, I find the google maps times estimates perfect for a heavy truck, but often much slower times than what I would do in a car. I alluded to that above, did you miss that? How would you like me to prove my opinion to you? drive down there from Tauranga and time check it, hoping I wont get held up by trucks and roadworks so I can get a accurate average speed just to appease you about my opinion?
bumfacingdown,
Apr 28, 2:21am
Naa, stick to your opinion but when you come up with a counter to what you are rubbishing let us know that too
philltauranga,
Apr 28, 2:34am
Will do.
goron56,
Apr 28, 2:58am
We didnt need airbags and abs and all the safety features back in the 60 70s 80s because the cars were stronger and heavier and made of proper steel
tygertung,
Apr 28, 3:08am
Which meant that in the crashes the cars stayed rigid and the occupants crumpled instead.
The 60s, 70s and 80s had the highest road toll by far:
Trucks and roadworks counts for the average speed, as a driver is very likely to face trucks and roadworks at any time.
The average speed is easy to work out, just calcuate distance traveled divided by time taken.
So we just need some drivers to drive the route and record the time taken.
The more samples, the more accurate would be the result.
philltauranga,
Apr 28, 4:09am
We could have a control group of cars go first, limited to the current 100kmh, then a second group limited to 80kmh through the proposed 80kmh section which is about half the Napier-Taupo Rd, and see if NZTA claims on their website of 41 seconds difference is close to the mark aye. sounds fair to me. lol. 41 seconds. good one NZTA. TUI.
tygertung,
Apr 28, 4:26am
Yes sounds fair. It would be interesting to see the difference.
cjohnw,
Apr 28, 4:37am
You can make a very basic rudimentary calculation using the speed/distance calculator. So, if as Phill says, it is roughly about half the distance - so 70km.
I guess first you would have to establish the average speed at both speed limits
philltauranga,
Apr 28, 6:38am
If the reduced limit was just for the bad winding bits, a few km's around Te Pohue area and a few kms north-west of Tarawera cafe, I would fully support it. A blanket 80kmh limit for half the Napier-Taupo when its not really any different to the rest of the country roads, you got to be fuknkidding me!
framtech,
Apr 28, 9:01am
there is only a handful of corners on that road that you need to slow down to under a 100kph in dry conditions and even in the wet most cars will will handle those speeds so long as you drive smoothly, Yes I know some will be scared and lack the experience but they shouldn't really be on that road with poor skills and should take a bus. but I suppose thats the problem when you dumb down a nation and spend the money on revenue gathering (camera vans) and hate speech laws to suppress, instead of education and skills. when is the last time you have seen an add saying keep left ? or if you are towing - let cars pass safely at the first place you can pull over. The world is being taken over by greasy little selfish assholes (looking for promotion), with no common sense.
framtech,
Apr 28, 9:21am
excellent post, I also have driven it for the last eight years every week in different vehicles and I know in 2 seconds that the car i am following, if driver can drive or is a steerer who is scared and not very experienced ( always in the wrong place into corners, slow everywhere except when passed by an older car and braking endlessly) man the parts suppliers must love the amount of brake pad sets they sell. Thats why the line haul and empty logging truck drivers chew them up in passing lanes,cause they piss them off with their poor driving.
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