of used EVs less than they had hoped with some vehicles possibly being rigged to indicate a higher range than they have. This does not surprise me and will only mean people going back to fuel powered cars again. The more they are fast charged the shorter the battery life will be too as the article did indicate how a vehicle is charged will affect battery life. Maybe dealers should be required to make prospective used EV customers aware that there is no warranty offered on used EV vehicle batteries.
marte,
Oct 29, 1:02am
Pretty much everybody knows that a EV cars range gets shorter as it's used.
My petrol tank gauge is not 100% accurate either. Depending on how it's being used, how it's parked & when I take a reading, it can change by up to 50 kms
vtecintegra,
Oct 29, 1:20am
The problem is that by far the most popular EV is the ex-Japan Leaf and these have two issues - faster battery degradation than other EVs - a range indicator that is hilariously inaccurate (mine says 130km on a full charge when real world range is between 60 and 90km depending on speed, temperature etc)
poppy62,
Oct 29, 2:56am
Most of the lower range (kms) EVs were designed primarily as "City" cars. Low/No emissions, accessible charge stations and noise reduction. NZ owners have a different idea of EV function.
yz490,
Oct 29, 4:18am
Car manufacturers claim more mpg [or k's] than in reality--well, m/cycles do anyway. Often wondered if a Honda 50 model C100 would actually get 240mpg as claimed in 1960--ish. Only difference with a car is you can carry a can of fuel in the boot [then like i found the dam tank inlet stepped down smaller than my flexi funnel] Then again can you carry a quick topup charge capacitor thingy for EV's--someone will get rich if they can get in first to invent one!
dublo,
Oct 29, 4:23am
yz490 wrote: Car manufacturers claim more mpg [or k's] than in reality--well, m/cycles do anyway. Often wondered if a Honda 50 model C100 would actually get 240mpg as claimed in 1960--ish. My Honda C50 scooter got about 125 miles per gallon . commuting 3 miles to work - mainly flat roads, in a small city. Later, a Honda CG125 about 100 mpg.
saxman99,
Oct 29, 4:37am
Other things that people expect from cars can affect range too. A chap I was talking to recently was telling me how he discovered his Leaf’s normal range was cut in half by strapping two bicycles to the roof.
cassina1,
Oct 29, 4:52am
Affordable EVs are only likely to be a short term fad unless used solely for commuting. Expensive long range ones have issues too in that much more than overnight is needed to charge them unless they are fast charged which shortens their battery life too.
toenail,
Oct 29, 6:47am
this is no different to ICE where the MPG stated can never be reached unless you drive in a straight line with no traffic lights.
franc123,
Oct 29, 7:47am
Correct, the same mentality applies to these nitwits buying diesel 4x4 crew cab utes (because it's the only thing to buy apparently) and expecting it to do absolutely everything, including that cold 4km drive to work in the morning and repeat at the end of the day. They don't understand that in overseas markets the same expectations dont apply, you assess exactly what you need a vehicle to do and purchase something in that niche that will do the job the best, not follow the sheep. The people rushing out to buy these early Leafs because they're falling into a certain price point now are oblivious to the fact that a 2013 model is ancient in terms of the evolution of the EV.
lythande1,
Oct 29, 7:24pm
hardly the same thing. You can use your trip meter to see how much petrol you have left. batteries die. That is the point. and cost a fortune to replace. More than most cars I have bought.
gazzat22,
Oct 29, 8:54pm
I was told that Electronic Wizz kids can falsify the life(if thats the Term) left in an EV battery and having seen what an avionics specialist can do I,m not at all surprised.
gpg58,
Oct 29, 9:08pm
i did get 160mpg out of sisters ss50, and 125mpg out of my SL100, both on trips on open road.
I too decided ev's are not for me yet, and got 2 new ice cars, and perfectly happy with them, the wee Holden spark LT averages 5.6 - 6.0 lts/100kms on 95 octane, and i do like giving it the welly a lot, (i check each fill - 11 so far, dash is only mildly wrong at showing 5.7 when really 5.9), and i have zero range anxiety. Weirdly some reviewers claimed real world use was 8/100, no idea how that would even be possible, unless driving with hand brake on, or stupidly staying in L range. (difference is 4000rpm at 100k, versus just 2000 in D). When you take into account i paid just $14k brand new (runout price, minus an extra 1k for getting astra rsv as well), easy to see why it was a much better deal than some stupid 5 year old high km's second hand ev, for similar money.
bill1451,
Oct 29, 9:17pm
did he put the bikes on the roof in case he ran out of volts x amps lol
gazzat22,
Oct 29, 11:01pm
Well she is going on the best scientific advice which worked with NZ,s actions with the virus.There are lots of people world wide working on a Vaccine as we speak.At least shes not Bsh. ing like Trump and Bolsanaro. !
gazzat22,
Oct 30, 12:19am
Is Landslide spelt with a Capital?
marte,
Oct 30, 1:06am
Use the bikes & a generator to recharge the EV?
Really, the quoted mileage is a optimum distance & probably wouldn't take into account heating or battery cooling, cabin heating, lights, music & such, or even winding up & down windows ( which is quite noticeable on the 'distance remaining' display ) or hills or wind.
vtecintegra,
Oct 30, 1:11am
Using lights/music/windows don't make a noticeable difference on the Leaf. The main things that affect range are temperature, speed, hills and cabin heating
carstauranga001,
Oct 30, 2:53am
And A/C use.
vtecintegra,
Oct 30, 3:04am
A/C uses bugger all compared to the heater or driving 10km/h faster
alowishes,
Oct 30, 3:11am
Just watch the needle of the rev counter drop when the a/c is switched in a petrol car at idle, they must use a reasonable amount of grunt to operate?.
vtecintegra,
Oct 30, 3:37am
Even on a really hot day AC is around ~1kw on the Leaf whereas the resistive heater can hover around 4kw if it's really cold (newer/fancier Leafs have a heat pump which is more efficient). Also the car goes further with a warmer battery and less far with a cold one so that offsets a lot of the A/C impact.
bill1451,
Oct 30, 3:43am
on the news just now, agents in Jappaland are "juicing" used EV,s to amp up the batterys, for a week or so they go really well and then they sink back to their true state, (mostly worn out) by this time the new owner has run out of warranty and the car is in NZ and the owner is facing $1000,s of replacement cost. And our glorious leader wants ICe vehicles off the road by 2035, I dont really care as I,ll be 85 if I,m still above ground by then.
socram,
Oct 30, 5:13am
Not quite. The published figures are supposed to be based on a standard test which simulates a mix of driving.
My own car always beats the published figures simply because I try to not use it for local trips.
Still too many issues with EV's for me to consider getting one. The use of resources to make them, still has massive question marks.
bigfatmat1,
Oct 30, 7:31am
easily done but will revert back after a few weeks driving.
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