News today many people are finding the range

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bigfatmat1, Oct 30, 7:32am
older ones yes. It uses a ptc and electric pump. Newer more efficient heatpump

3tomany, Oct 31, 7:19am
I have never owned a car that does not get or exceed the manufacturers fuel ratings. My FG falcon would better it on a trip by more than ten percent.

gubay, Nov 1, 1:31am
Which EV is capable of towing my caravan or boat anywhere further than the next suburb ?

harm_less, Nov 1, 2:12am
The only reliable measure of an EVs remaining battery capacity is to use a device that interogates the vehicle and provides a State of Health (SOH) of the battery.

The dashboard displayed range in a Leaf is an estimation of the distance the vehicle will travel based on state of charge and the rate of drawdown over the past few kilometres travelled. For example if the Leaf has travelled downhill prior to the reading being taken (or prior to being charged) then the stated battery range will be calculated on the remaining charge being used to travel a downhill journey. In other words the forecast range can well be wildly optimistic, and a dodgy seller can use this to their advantage as in the reported case.

harm_less, Nov 1, 2:13am
Most Tesla's, Audi e-tron, Bollinger, Rivian.

vtecintegra, Nov 1, 2:42am
SoH won't tell you how much range you'll see though because that is so dependent on where and how you drive.

harm_less, Nov 1, 3:27am
Battery SoH will tell you how big your 'tank' is. Your diving style and route will determine how far that tank will take you when full.

marte, Nov 1, 9:16am
'Horses for courses' really.
EV's are made for fuel efficiency, not towing ( at the moment ).
Even in petrol cars, I would have a small 2 door car to get around town,
a saloon for driving with more than 2 people in it comfortably,
a wagon for general use & a decent size V6 4WD wagon for towing stuff & sleeping in.
If I was towing bigger trailers, & off road, it would be a diesel 4WD.

A EV would only replace the 2 door car.
Future EV's for towing stuff are likely to be Hydrogen fueled anyway.

nice_lady, Nov 1, 6:38pm
eh ?

marte, Nov 1, 6:51pm
FCEV

harm_less, Nov 1, 8:10pm
Battery technology is moving rapidly and for most EV manufacturers hydrogen isn't part of the plan. https://www.thedrive.com/news/36547/watch-rivian-prove-the-electric-r1t-pickups-11000-lb-towing-capacity-in-the-hottest-place-in-america

bitsnpieces2020, Nov 1, 8:25pm
that link is of a prototype, not even going 20 miles.

harm_less, Nov 1, 11:24pm
500 miles with a Audi E-tron https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30913804/audi-e-tron-ev-towing/ And not towing but an interesting example of capitalising on re-generative braking https://www.autoblog.com/2019/08/26/edumper-electric-mining-truck-self-charging/

bitsnpieces2020, Nov 2, 1:56am
Do you read the links you post? The total trip was 504 miles, the range of a full charge while towing was just over 100 miles. They stopped to charge 5 times! It's also a different vehicle. Are you buying a Rivian and an audi E-tron ?
THe EDumper is a lie. Mining requires removing the mined material out of the hole. Their demonstration was driving and empty truck up a hill loading it up with tonnes of lime, and then having a downhill drive fully laden. If you are paying attention that is the opposite of what happens in a real mine.

marte, Nov 2, 5:21am
#41 from what I have read elsewhere, though it's well known.
Some trucks are diesel/electric, like trains. This gets rid of a huge gearbox.
The diesels got enough grunt to shift a fully laden truck up slight slopes only.
When the empty truck goes up & downhill it's connected to overhead cables like a electric cable car.
So as it goes down empty it puts electricity into the system, as it goes uphill laden, the system gives it electricity to power it uphill.
Saves carrying a oversize engine, huge gearbox and/or battery's.

bitsnpieces2020, Nov 2, 7:48am
That simply is not how diesel - electric works.
A diesel motor used as a generator/dynamo to create electricity to power an electric drive train .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_locomotive#Diesel-electric

marte, Nov 2, 12:01pm
Like this?
https://www.alamy.com/big-white-hitatchi-hybrid-diesel-electric-mining-truck-hauls-waste-image66670348.html { Operator drives a white, 180ton capacity haul truck in a large open cast African copper mine. The truck is a diesel/ electric hybrid and is just coming off overhead power lines after driving up to the top of a waste dump } Interesting hydrogen hybrid
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/new-worlds-largest-electric-vehicle-is-290-ton-dump-truck-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

harm_less, Nov 2, 7:01pm
The mine in question is a hole in a hill with a generally downhill haul route to the processing plant, so perfect for regen. https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a28748306/worlds-largest-electric-vehicle-dump-truck/

bitsnpieces2020, Nov 2, 10:33pm
Ahh so its good for a single mine, not all mines, or most mines, which are typically opencast holes in the ground. Also as the load is being moved down a hill, they'd probably be much better off using a conveyor belt. Far more efficient, in terms of energy usage, and quantity of material able to be moved over time. Also far less prone to human error.

s_nz, Nov 3, 9:41am
Don't know if you have seen this one. On Auckland roads daily and can tow something like 20 tonne.

http://www.nztruckanddriver.co.nz/nz-truck-and-driver-news/december-2019-electric-container-carrier

elect70, Nov 4, 10:52am
Can the batery pack be tested to determine its remaining life as dont know if it was always fast charged or slow charged.Makes a big difference to the price willing to pay

s_nz, Oct 29, 3:09am
For the nissan leaf (the worst effected EV for battery degridation) the short answer is yes. At the most basic, one can count the bars displayed on the dashboard (tiny bars to the right of the charge indicator). New leafs have 12 bars. Loosing the first bar represents the loss of 15 percentage points battery capacity. Subsequent bars are worth 6.25? Percentage points.

Possible to reset the car and it goes back to 12 bars but it will return to actual level over about 2 weeks.

Can also get a $25 bluetooth transmitter, plug into the car, and use some software called leafspy to see battery stare of health, if any cells are playing up, quichcharge count etc.

Some behaviour like frequent small fast charges (seems common in cars fresh from japan where home charging is not as common as in NZ) distorts the results a little positive.

Vast majority of adverts on trademe quote bars and/or state if health.

A car with 85% state of health commands a lot more money than one with 65%.

Was a battery chemistry change where 2014+ cars batteries are less prone to damage.