The other thread about that moronic idea of putting insurance details on license labels got me thinking, why are we still bothering at all with this crap? Its last century thinking having labels on cars, other countries have abolished it, time to ditch license fees completely and charge licensed drivers directly the ACC premium (which is most of the fee anyway), and hike these fees if these drivers have caused crashes in the past. The police should have access to plate recognition technology and they know what vehicles are registered to what drivers anyway. Make up the rest with an unavoidable fuel tax paid at the pump (I can hear you groaning) and have different colour dyed taxed and untaxed 96 petrol to satisfy off road petrol users and dump 91 completely as its crap anyway.
What do you think?
apollo11,
Aug 11, 7:44pm
They do, but mainly in the big cities.
bill1451,
Aug 11, 7:46pm
any speed camera has it and you will get a bill for no warrant, no rego, plus the speeding ticket.The cameras on those things are that good they can tell you what that fly on your windscreen had for tea last night.
marte,
Aug 11, 8:34pm
Sort out the buying & selling & ownership of cars first. Anybody can put anybody else's car into their ( or somebody else's ) name at any time.
Red diesels a weird idea. You can claim back taxes for petrol & road taxes take into account vehicle & load weights. Though they are ridiculous rates for private house buses etc.
franc123,
Aug 12, 12:02am
Lol just because you have transferred a vehicle in your name doesnt mean you legally own it! All it means is that you have nominated yourself to have the bills and fines sent to you, a volintary self created receipt from the seller is what should be asked for . A pink slip system like in the US would be more sensible. As for claiming back petrol tax, that just more paperwork! A system of taxed and untaxed fuel is used overseas. But I guess like everything else you would need people policing it and that's where it would fall down here.
mrfxit,
Aug 12, 7:38am
Being able to do the name change like that, helps with identity theft scams & as an "honesty marker" for scam buying other cars on finance etc. Theres no reasonable reason why it's been left like it is.
franc123,
Aug 12, 12:30pm
I never said I agreed with it or suggested it was good. It's just that it doesn't mean what people think it does. It doesnt prove a damn thing, and especially not who owns something.
richardmayes,
Aug 12, 12:54pm
A paper sticker on the windscreen is old-fashioned, but it works everywhere in New Zealand, it doesn't depend on having 4g or 5g data coverage, and it doesn't fall over if the mobile network has a problem.
But we are already giving away far too much information about ourselves to the government free of charge with zero oversight. As 2020 goes on I am less and less inclined than ever to want the government having a direct line into me and everything they want to know about me.
poppy62,
Aug 12, 1:13pm
A pink slip system like in the US would be more sensible.
I think there is a hole ( the size of a Pink Slip) in your suggested Digital System.
gazzat22,
Aug 12, 2:30pm
Actually Franc a fellow I worked with some time ago said that in his home country when you registered a car you got a sticker(bar coded and Numbered) which went on the windscreen.Without this sticker no Petrol Station was allowed to sell you petrol for that car,if caught that station lost is resellers licence for a time.
headcat,
Aug 12, 2:45pm
Be useless with no plates like OP wants.
apollo11,
Aug 12, 2:53pm
I thought he was talking about labels, not plates.
curlcrown,
Aug 14, 7:43pm
There's nothing wrong with the current system of changing "ownership" if it is understood and used properly. I used the word ownership in quotation marks because I couldn't think of a better word. The is no reason to want to put a car in your name, only disadvantages. It is simply some one or some entity to send fines to, it does not prove legal ownership.
marte,
Aug 14, 7:52pm
We used to have something like Ownership papers But the American ideas a bit weird, you can drive a brand new car without numberplates for a certain amount of time, and/or dealers plates untill you get your own numberplate. Which seems to be 'in the person's name' rather that for the actual vehicle. And having to carry 'Ownership papers' in the car all of the time. Nah.
Cars are not too far away that are not going to require somone behind the steering wheel. Probably hike the taxes etc to push everyone into self driving electric cars etc. BMW - self driving https://youtu.be/96iJfd1SvHE
cattleshed,
Aug 15, 7:17am
1) Get rid of the Socialist ACC insurance scheme. Bring in compulsory private insurance. Any new policies or all policies under a clean slate would be universally at the same level. The only variable would be according to existing other forms of risk eg type of car where it is parked at night etc. Then 2) Where the premiums go from there is either progressively up or down dependent on what you do. Idiots would eventually get to a stage where they are uninsurable, in which case their licence is revoked. If it is argued that some would never be able to afford insurance in the first place: a) it would be lower and would get even lower if they tick all the boxes in time or b) they take public transport / car pool until they can.
tamarillo,
Aug 15, 9:01am
Certainly ACC should be per person, which would fix the sheer theft committed on Motorcyclists who choose to have more than one bike But have to pay the high levy on each.
sw20,
Aug 15, 9:20am
#16
Yes let’s force people to buy a product from a private enterprise. This will only end well I’m sure.
cattleshed,
Aug 15, 10:21am
So you like big govt and big taxes and state owned car manufacturing? Because let's face it cars are products we buy from private enterprise how does insurance suddenly differ?
bumfacingdown,
Aug 15, 10:49am
How would the smirfs write out tickets (a good earner) for failing to display if their was nothing to display
headcat,
Aug 15, 1:14pm
Are not plates with numbers on "labels"?
headcat,
Aug 15, 1:16pm
No one forces you to buy a car. A subtle difference.
apollo11,
Aug 15, 1:25pm
I imagine you'd get a few funny looks if you went to vtnz and said 'someone has pinched the labels off my car' lol.
apollo11,
Aug 15, 1:35pm
Agree. And that charge should cover extra bikes and any cars you have. Other insurance co's have no issues charging individuals based on risk and prior history so it can't be that hard to do so.
framtech,
Aug 15, 3:02pm
I agree, paper sticker lets even the owner know if its due, also the sticker can be seen by warrant staff, parking wardens, toll gate operators, inter island ferry staff and provides a quick check for police running road blocks. Compulsory insurance is way overdue and would trap those that rip off people that do have insurance when there is a crash as well as clean out a few dickhead bottom feeders
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