If its similar to changing the battery pack in Electric fork hoists it,,ll be a l o n g few minutes!
bill1451,
Jun 16, 11:31pm
Just wait until the govt brings in road user charges for EV,s and they will be on a par with ICE cars for running costs, NO ADVANTAGE.
harm_less,
Jun 16, 11:40pm
BS! An extra 7c/km won't make too much difference for EVs that typically have an energy cost equivalent to 30c/litre petrol. That's if the government even decide to charge RUCs on EVs at the same rate as light diesels which isn't likely so long as incentivisation remains.
john1623,
Jun 16, 11:42pm
I have nothing against EVs but would prefer to wait until they are technically perfected.I would like them on an equal footing as far as RUC is with other types of vehicle. The govt would be better to let market forces decide rather than bribery that the country cant afford. The present govt have probably realised they will need the greens next election so are kissing backside.
timbo69,
Jun 16, 11:57pm
So when the first petrol cars were made where did everybody fill up?
remmers,
Jun 17, 1:15am
Benzine from the chemist.
houseofdad,
Jun 17, 1:40am
Cheaper to run, better acceleration, yeah no advantage lollol.
houseofdad,
Jun 17, 1:43am
You won't have to worry about the one-sidedness in time as there will be no petrol cars on the road.
s_nz,
Jun 17, 2:00am
Its actually pretty massive. (I say this as a current EV owner)
Will mean that the likes of a Yaris Hybrid will be cheaper to run than any EV. People simply looking for the cheapest running costs for their fairly long commute or similar would be best to sell their EV and get a Yaris Hybrid.
But as you say it is not likely to happen. It is simply not in the countries interest to charge EV owners triple the road tax of a Yaris hybrid owner. We want to promote use of our domestically produced power, rather than imported oil.
cjohnw,
Jun 17, 2:02am
How many people still own an old CRT tv?
Tried to buy a VCR recorder lately?
Evolving technology is difficult to avoid.
harm_less,
Jun 17, 2:13am
There is of course the limited usefulness of hybrids as they're only filling a temporary need until such time as EV battery tech improves to the point that range is acceptable to most owners. Once that point is reached the idea of owning an EV with an ICE engine to haul around will make them white elephants.
The more likely scenario with RUCs is for the whole system to be updated so that all vehicles pay on a distance travelled basis probably monitored by a satellite tracking system. This puts everybody on an equal footing, does away with the RUC dodging so prevalent with light diesel vehicles now and solves the issue of both hybrids being taxed equally and non-road fuel use such as power tools paying road tax. Charging vehicles individually also provides the opportunity to incentive/penalise those vehicle types that fit this requirement.
s_nz,
Jun 17, 2:14am
We are pretty much their with the first and last numbers.
Something like a Kona electric 64kWh series II gets a 484km range (based on the series I i expect this to be realistic in the real world - could get 500km with efficient driving if required).
Tesla Model 3 SR+ gets 508km, and the long range gets 657km (apparently these are a little optimistic, so you might want to subtract 50km from them).
Both of the above will charge to 80% in well under an hour on a fast charger (the last few percent is slower, and most EV's drivers only charge what they need plus a safety margin).
In terms of cost, I don't think we will ever see $2/100km. Most smaller EV's use 15 - 20kWh /100km. On 18c/kWh power this works out to $2.7- $3.6 / 100km.
Biggest issue really is the upfrount cost. Those cars cost a lot more than a corolla etc.
ascotbks,
Jun 17, 2:34am
how come you wanted this thread removed because it didnt agree with your biased opinion. i presume you live in central auckland or have a petrol car as well. if you have an ev whats the make and whats the cost per kilo and do you take a bike in boot for emergency. as for tesla cheapest in nz is around $70.000 so hardly suitable for ordinary kiwis who can pickup an import petrol car for $7000. an ev or something similar is inevitable as oil runs out but technology needs to be improved before normal hard working scraping by from week to week kiwis can ever think of getting into one
true, mind you its car makers that issued warning. politcians still need to be elected but evs may be really suitable now for some eu countries with large dense compact populations with excellent public transport
marte,
Jun 17, 4:42am
I expect that in time, with constant computer monitoring & AI, since all vehicle movements will be monitored & dissected. Inc battery use. once the info is gathered they can figure out where thetes ineffiencys in the road itself & then plot out new straighter flatter roads.
Of course this is paid for by road users & once road uservfees for EVs start happening, increases in RUC via petrol will happen ' as a incentive to shift to electric". The government will spend this money on roading on the ' Safety ' & ' Green' aspect knowing that it creates employment & probably in favour of farmers, = less road surface & more farmland.
redhead18,
Jun 17, 5:05am
Hoots Mon I'm Just waiting for the EV graders, diggers and rollers etc. And the convenience of fast charging while waiting at the stop go at roadworks Meh wireless charging i expect. After all if the OP can have a few hundy EV's in Taihape well. Book . Movie mmmmmmmmmmm
Not much fun for EV owners in Victoria, Aus. at the moment with no electricity in some areas for seven days and counting.
s_nz,
Jun 17, 8:08am
I voted to have the thread removed because the top post contains substantial fiction.
I live in the central suburbs of Auckland. We are a two car household. One car is 2014 Nissan leaf with about 110km range, and the other is a Lexus RX400h. We basically use the leaf for whenever it is suitable, and use the SUV for when we need to use two cars at once, when we need more space, need to tow, or when we are going out of town.
Haven't run the numbers on power cost the leaf, but as a ballpark it is 20kWh/100km, @18.79c/kWh which works out to about $3.75/100km.
No I don't carry a bike in the boot of my leaf for emergencies. (nor do I carry a spare can of fuel in the SUV). I don't get why people think EV's will get stranded all over the place. Just like I wouldn't start the Napier - Taupo road without sufficient fuel in the SUV, I wouldn't set out on a trip without sufficient range (or a plan to charge the leaf).
Frankly the nissan leaf has one thing going for it, and that is its low price. Did a road trip in a family members kona electric at Christmas, completly changes the game with it's range. They have a late model petrol car next to it in the garage, but for long trips (with no towing) the Kona is the car that gets used.
EV's are still in the early adopter phase. Your criticism of their high price / limited options in the second hand market is quite valid. but the only way to get decent options into the used market is to have decent numbers of New EV's sold a decade prior. Recently released government policy is about swinging peoples buying decisions (partially for new cars) towards more efficient options.
b.a.m,
Jun 17, 8:20am
As a farmer what alternatives do I have for my ute?
tygertung,
Jun 17, 6:29pm
Farm bike? How about an AG200 or an XL125?
Of course there are probably newer farm bikes out there these days, I haven't kept up with the game.
Tractor?
But you are a special case and might need your ute.
ascotbks,
Jun 17, 8:22pm
funny, i write a motoring fiction story thats being made into a movie and you want it removed but any fiction promoting EVs is fine.
alowishes,
Jun 17, 9:11pm
So what’s the answer to this sort of crisis for EVs?
trade4us2,
Jun 17, 11:12pm
Surely anyone sensible would have a generator?
A serious question here, I don't have an EV. Can it be charged at 230v at 10 or 20 amps?
harm_less,
Jun 17, 11:19pm
Yes an EV can be charged at those rates. From a standard household 10 amp socket will provide about 2.3kW but a 15 amp (workshop) socket will give you close to 3.5kW which the maximum input rate for a Leaf. A 20 amp feed is over 4.5kW so divide the battery capacity (in kWh) by that to work out how many hours it will take to charge, though it is unusual and actually risky to run a battery down to zero and most EVs will prevent an absolute fill up for safety reasons. Also expect some loss during the process as you're converting 230v AC to 300+V DC
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