Dodgy seller

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eke690, Feb 10, 5:59pm
Yes you offended me, how could that comment not have offended!

You are in the industry - what you pay and what someone off the street pays is entirely different as you well know. Comparing the two isn't particularly fair.

No hard feelings - as you were;)
hydroman08, Feb 10, 6:06pm
I have had 3 quotes today.
Palmfeild quoted $1200, Warren Anderson quoted $980 and Geartech quoted $1000.

So i think my pricing is fairly accurate.Of course it does depend if idlers, seals, waterpump etc need to be done as well.They may not, and obviously the price may differ.But i will be taking the seller to the disputes to reimburse the cost.$1000 may not seem like a lot to some of you, but it is to me.

Is there any quick way to get his full name and address!Other than the 2-3 weeks through land transport.
jcwholesale, Feb 10, 6:09pm
fp, the best he will get is a cambelt only, with cambelt factory time replacement. Cost and hassle would not be worth it. I understand there is a principle.but he is quoting for not only the cambelt but all the other stuff which wasn't mentioned or implied. By all means let him go for it. But is it really worth the grief, and the time. He has the car he likes, a weekend driver, just fix it enjoy it, forget it or leave a sour taste in your mouth over a shit fight where he may or may not get a small payout. This is a fun car, and I know he is resentful right now, and if he fights he will hate the car.
friendly_prawn, Feb 10, 6:10pm
contact trademe, they will supply his name and contact details if its going to the disputes tribunal.
friendly_prawn, Feb 10, 6:12pm
I guess we have to agree to disagree on that one.

cheers mate.
hydroman08, Feb 10, 6:12pm
JC this is entirely based on principle.Even if i just get the cost of the cambelt replacement (whatever it may be) it is still a victory in my corner.
Sellers like these need to learn that they cant get away with lying, otherwise they may just go on to do it again.
The cost to me will be minimal, and he will probably back out when he receives the papers in the mail anyway.
jcwholesale, Feb 10, 6:21pm
hydro, go for it. I would hate you to hate your new fun car at the end of it. But what I said before, the dealer owned it at 97000kms, he stated the cambelt was done at approx 95000kms. Before the dealer owned it. So they wouldn't even know. You are going to have to go from hydroman to private detective before you even have a chance. I understand the principle, but is it really worth it.
stevo2, Feb 10, 6:26pm
Good on you, but I agree that tensioners, seals waterpump etc were never mentioned as being replaced so should not be incuded for reimbursement.
cheers stevo
hydroman08, Feb 10, 6:41pm
Thanks all.When i first contacted the seller (i still have the messages) he told me that the dealer had proof the cambelt was replaced and i could collect it from the dealer.The dealer told me (this morning) that the seller contacted him early last week and he told the seller that the cambelt had not been done.The seller then wrote on the auction that the cambelt had been replaced on Wednesday morning.
hydroman08, Feb 10, 6:42pm
Stevo - if i can only get the cost of the cambelt covered then so be it.However he also claims the car is "mint condition" which to most means pretty much perfect.Going by this alone surely i could sting him if the mechanic notes any other faults!
jcwholesale, Feb 10, 6:47pm
hydro, I think you are stretching it now, you bought privately and mint only always refers to body & interior condition, and he did mention the dent, And you saw it and accepted it.
stevo2, Feb 10, 6:49pm
Not really, "Mint" is someones opinion only and that can be very subjective. If your mechanic delves deep enough, he will find things wrong. I believe your tribunual hearing will be successful in the cambelt issue only as he deliberately misled you. The overall tidyness of the car (Mint, excellent, tidy, etc) is something that you could determine when you inspected the car yourself. cheers stevo
hydroman08, Feb 10, 6:50pm
Just venting JC - i have no intention of trying to claim anything else.But I will be filing with the tribunal first thing tomorrow.
friendly_prawn, Feb 10, 7:33pm
claim for everything you can. tensioners and all. Claim that it all needs to be done if the job is to be done properly.
Ifhe doesnt show in court, then you get what your asking for. Often they dont show. If he does show, he may be stupid and not argue a good case, so you could still get awarded everything.
Worst case scenario, you get cambelt and labour out of him.
Best case, he get's a bit of his own back.

Please, come back and let us know how you get on.

good luck.
hydroman08, Feb 10, 7:40pm
Don't worry i will follow through.Last call was at 8.30 where i left a voice message outlining exactly what I am planning to do.Still haven't heard back - he probably thinks I'm bullshitting.
jmma, Feb 10, 7:44pm
Is there any quick way to get his full name and address! Other than the 2-3 weeks through land transport

Where are the papers for it and where did you collect it from.
sue344, Feb 10, 7:47pm
you're a fool if you don't do the whole kit when you do a cambelt. I f you are looking at a car and the cambelt has been done but no water pump or tensioner etc has, i wouldn.t even bother with it
hydroman08, Feb 10, 7:49pm
Papers have all been sent away when change of ownership done.Waiting for my cert to arrive.It was picked up in town.
hydroman08, Feb 10, 7:50pm
It will all be getting done tomorrow.Will have to fork out the $1000
jmma, Feb 10, 7:50pm
Is everything so crap now that you have to replace waterpump, tensioner etc at 100,000 kms, surely not, some cars offer more kms than that for warranty
friendly_prawn, Feb 10, 8:49pm
just some thoughts hyrdroman, if some one is buying a car that has had the cambelt done,, one would expect the job to be done properly. ie: tensioner and idler replaced if they were in need of replacing!.

Only a complete idiot would leave a worn tensioner in place and replace the cambelt. One could argue that any other worn parts should be replaced as a normal part of the job and would have and should have been done if the cambelt had of been done like the seller claimed.

I would be getting my mechanic to write a report stating said parts were worn and had to be replaced as part of the job.

I could be wrong but I believe you would have a good case to argue and if you were to word it well, with some back up from your mechanic, I think you would have a good chance and even more so due to the fact that some of the referees are not to bright anyway. .

So yeah, push for the lot. It'll be interesting to see how you get on with it.
almosttherenow, Feb 10, 9:19pm
hydro ring engine restorations in levin tomorrow after 9 for a price. They pretty sharp with there prices.
sw20, Feb 10, 10:17pm
Should have bought the Alfa Romeo.
jcwholesale, Feb 11, 5:09am
I understand that all should be replaced, but there is no record of that, only the cambelt is stated in the auction. There is no rule that all should be replaced everytime you do a cambelt, it is only strongly recommended.
Hey I am not disagreeing with anyone, but if you are going to claim only what was stated has a chance and that is cambelt only
fordluva, Feb 11, 6:10am
its more that it makes sense to do so, as waterpumps etc are cheap but involve removing the cambelt to replace on most vehicles, so it makes sense to pay the labour cost only once, its whats called preventative maintenence.