i-n-horz the bar most certainly is top heavy when it becomes an accessory to hang your backpack to, strap your sprayer pack to, add a rifle holder and rifle to and maybe even tie game to as it surly would be. peacebird would strap his kids to it by the sounds. If you like the look of them so much, go out and buy one.
i-n-horz,
Jan 7, 9:10pm
If I owned a quad I probably would buy one mapman not for looks but for safety.I remember when full faced helmets were met with the same fearful opinions/opposition that the chin would easily catch and break your neck or dangerously reduced your visibility and the same for seatbelts they were frowned upon and opposed. What would be interesting to know is how many deaths would've been prevented if the bar was in place or how many deaths would occur due to the bar.time will tell. The total weight of the bar is 8kg all up and that's not above the height of the quad and what is above the quad height is aluminum minimizing top heavy weight even further.as for what people choose to strap to themnot following the safety instructions,stupid is what stupid does.
mapman,
Jan 7, 11:56pm
horz, see the thing is an ATV is already way top heavy. It has been said that is the equal of a full Double Decker Bus, do you think a Quad Bar equivalent on a Double Decker bus will make much difference. If you have not got a Quad, what are you basing your opinion on! I??
berg,
Jan 8, 12:14am
Late 2010 I rolled my racing quad at very high speed doing serious damage to my neck. Due to wearing all the safety gear including a spine protector I survived and am making a steady recovery. Was the quad to blame for my crash and subsiquent injury! Hell no! It was entirely my own fault as I was going way to fast on a track I didn't know. Due to wearing the good gear I will slowly recover. Had my quad had some form of rollbar (entirely unsuitable on a racing quad) I would quite proberbly be dead due to the nature of the crash. There is nothing unsafe about quads only the way we choose to use them.
wrong2,
Jan 8, 3:57pm
topic started thursday 5th
variety of opinion given, but topic starter hasnt been back to acknowledge
(getting real world opinion can sometimes be hard to swallow)
3tomany,
Jan 8, 11:31pm
when the quad rolls with that dangerous bar fitted all 250kgs of quad is on the end of that bar and the injuries if you get a body part undr that bar will be life changing
3tomany,
Jan 8, 11:35pm
they are very top heavy when you go under a tree or low bulding and try removing the roof of youre shed with it
lyingnun,
Jan 10, 3:40pm
wrong2 - I have been away on holiday -so no need for smart arse comment. Everyone has a right to their own view point. I appreciate that. I am lucky my kids survived to adulthood in spite of the many adventurous experiences they had. Their safety was always paramount but they were never wrapped in cotton wool.
kazbanz,
Jan 10, 3:45pm
The ONLY way a roll bar on a quad ccan possibly work in EVERY situation is to have the rider belted onto the bike and the cage high enough and substancial enough so in essence you are driving a car. -a topheavy car ANYTHING less adds to the danger it doesn't reduce the danger.
i-n-horz,
Jan 10, 5:47pm
I appreciate your opinion and knowledge mapman.are there any stats currently available that you know of to evaluate injuries/deaths with and without a bar! Bashing my opinion!.I hadn't realised.though I have owned a quad.Warrior 350 Raptor obviously not suited for a rollbar as it was set up for speed and racing where you are normally thrown from the bike upon loss of control due to the high pace of travel. I think the bar would perform at best in slow conditions or when inexperienced operators have yet to learn the transfer of weight and body position is critical to the cornering performance of a quad, hence the fully laden weight of a doulbe decker comes into play when the body position is not lowered and lean to the inside during cornering.as with any safety device it will NOT save you everytime.guaranteed. Being strapped to the quad would most definitely make a difference but as was said earlier 'who's going to strap in and out every 5-10mins!' and 'who's not going to strap equipment to the bar!' there is no control over what people will choose to and will do such things.just as important being strapped in while operating around a water source,pond,reservoir etc in my opinion would be extremely dangerous for obvious reasons.anyhow what will be will be and thanks again mapman for your opinions,comments and mature reciprocation.bitch'n, moan'n & name call'n seems to be all too common on the MB's now'a'days,cheers.
sr2,
Jan 10, 6:40pm
+1 Well said.
berg,
Jan 10, 9:05pm
Yep, and quad riders know that is not a fesable option as you need to be able to shift your body weight round to ride a quad properly. Strap someone to a rollbar and watch the number of quad crashes soar. They will still die when squished between the quad and a solid object lice a tree or rock but it will be more often due to the instability issues caused by restraining the rider.
mapman,
Jan 10, 11:19pm
horz, there has been many deaths and serious injuries in Australia with ROPS on Quads but there is no data that I have found that breaks down the manufacture or type of bar. Let me get that clear at the risk of you coming back at me for not having figures on how dangerous the Quadbar is. What I can say is the Quadbar is one of the manufactures that is on the list of one. The problem is in Australia, nobody will publicly come out and say the Quadbar is dangerous, but they will say they ROPS for Quadbikes are indeed very unsafe. Use your google and tell me if more than one manufacture in Aussie sells ROPS for Quads, then do your math. If you put one and one together you can tell there is one manufacture, the Quadbar like in this article here/ http://safetyatworkblog.com/2011/05/20/source-data-from-within-the-quad-bike-safety-stoush/Read the whole article and your soon realise the fracture that has appeared between ATV manufactures and aftermarket safety devices. Retailers in both Aussie and NZ have had a clear message from the ATV manufactures not to back ROPS for Quads and the NZ Dept of Labour??
Your right there about the UTV mapman, maybe a restriction on who can legally operate a quad should be in place and a mandatory operator safety training scheme.as it is people are just going to keep on dying and burdening further the tax payer with the cost of critical injuries. I see Northland farmers are opposed to the wearing of helmets even.somehow I think the issues surrounding quads are going to be a very long battle.
serf407,
Jan 11, 1:48pm
The atv/utv manufacturers are always trying to out do each other. The Can-Am 1000 UTV on you-tube is depicting doing 70 mph, people are still going to be involved with accidents with utvs. http://www.youtube.com/watch!v=uWxrQ26et_0 A Speed limiter that is difficult to bypass is a possible accessory. Traction control that stops hooning. etc AI on a bike ecu that detects hooning and turns the engine off for half an hour.
3tomany,
Jan 11, 1:57pm
utv is good in theiry but the problem is seatbelts and helmet are crtucial to operating a utv due to being traped inside the rolling vehicle. Thats both the solution and the problem all in one, as i know a lot of farmers with utvs now but have never seen one of them wear either a seatbelt or helmet, so rollover deaths will still occur
modkmo,
Jan 11, 2:04pm
I completely agree with this one! No matter what we do in life nothing is safe. I got my 1st quade when 4 and now im 25 and my partner got his 1st quad at 4 and now hes 27. We've had our fair share of accidents along the way but who hasn't! With anything. Quads aint dangerous. It's the lack of knowledge and skill people have to ride.
mapman,
Jan 11, 9:46pm
I contacted Farmsafe a few years ago now about getting the message out about using UTVs as a safer more efficient work vehicle on the farm. I never heard a thing back. I did it with another UTV importer and we were willing to offer a few UTVs. Thinking about it now, Farmsafe are a business and one of the products they offer is ATV training. They weren??
mapman,
Jan 11, 9:59pm
What your saying here 3tomany is how it is. I never wear a helmet and only occasional belt up. UTV deaths are very rear worldwide and as far as I know, there has not been one death in NZ. There are many injuries reported in the States every week & a few deaths every year. UTVs are sold in huge numbers over there though. Most of the deaths have occurred in a rollover saturation and is by the driver or passenger sticking a leg out to stop 500 to 700 kgs rolling. They fail and die due to major trauma to a leg or leg and arm. Most UTV manufactures have now added half doors to stop you sticking a leg out. UTVs are longer, wider and have their weight a lot lower to the ground. A Quad will roll very easily, where as it is very hard to roll a UTV, even on purpose. I will never wear a helmet in my UTV and will only belt up when I get nervous on the steep stuff in the rain.
philipt,
Feb 9, 2:36am
I knowingly ride a sports ATV at breaknek speeds over dangerous grounds. I walked across the street and got hit by a car. Spent several months in hospital. So far ATV's seem safer than crossing the road. Accidents happen, stupidity rules! You only learn when its too late. Same applies to smokers, swimmers, skateborders boyraces goodpeople badpeople.<your sport> <your hobby> <your work!>
mapman,
Feb 9, 3:44pm
All of that but not <your kids>. Ride a sports ATV at breakneck speeds and included your son or daughter & they end up six feet under, you loose a child plus face a manslaughter charge. That??
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