So you are saying cars should not have cruise control then!Because by your definition it should not be used and its O.K to make tolerances so low that to use it risks a ticket.
johnf_456,
Jun 4, 8:19pm
Yeah cruise control does, work just not down hill. I just don't use it much as other drivers speeds vary so much up and down so you end up risking rear ending someone. Yes we all could think this road is safer than the rest but it does not give you the right to go faster on this road than what you do on other roads. But real world wise yes some roads could do 120 safely but the point is if thats morally right in terms of the law. So yes I do see your point.
chris_051,
Jun 4, 8:19pm
From my experience all cars and bikes I've owned/driven/ridden have a speedo error of 5-10%. My bike reads about 110 at 100mh, crossed the 1/4 mile traps at 240ish but was timed at 219kmh. My Falcons have all been about 6% out. This is just a typical knee jerk reaction. All this will do is make people paranoid by watching their speedo instead of the road and cause more traffic conjestion as no one will want to pass, and we all know cops like to sit at the end of the passing lanes. Remember Labour weekend last year, this stint was a real success. YEA RIGHT. No amount of speed enforcement will make up for the piss poor brain dead driving standards seen on our roads.
johnf_456,
Jun 4, 8:20pm
You have mis read it sadly, after all no one says you have to do 100. If you think your going to risk getting a ticket do 98 97 whatever be on the safe side, which is what I do when its like this. So i have a leeway since I know my speedo is right. Even in Australia they apply low tolerance also I believe if not 0.
Its going to be a shitty weekend by the sounds of it so stay home and interact with the family.Save fuel=moneysave stress, of trying not to go over 104. You wont become a statistic or add to the government money pit of waste.Take a few days off during the week when all the nutters are at work. Take your wife, girlfriend, boyfriend or other out for dinner and get to know each other again instead of looking at them over a computer screen. Me, well I have to go to the big city of invercargill to buy some paint and wedding stuff so ill have to be real carefull on that 60km drive.actually the misses is driving so I dont care.
gunhand,
Jun 4, 8:28pm
Yea nuthin worse than ya busa sayin ya doin 322kph when your only doin 302kph, bloody annoying that.
thejazzpianoma,
Jun 4, 8:44pm
LOL, nice!
crzyhrse,
Jun 4, 11:17pm
Are you forgetting Labour weekend 2010 where there was just one death less than 2009 and ignoring the effect of a recession on discretionary spending on things like. say, long weekend travel!
Sorry, but a statistical blip does not a trend make.
crzyhrse,
Jun 4, 11:24pm
Any right thinking person realises they don't target speeding where it's more inappropriate than the places it's less in appropriate. They prefer to hang around downhill runs where it's much easier to inadvertently wander over the speed limit or passing lanes where the clown that was previously doing 80km/h holding up dozens of people quite capable of safely travelling at the speed limit has now sped up to 99km/h to prevent them passing legally. You can be sure he'll resume his 80km/h crawl once the opportunity for safe overtaking passes.
lookoutas,
Jun 5, 8:07am
That's exactly right. A guy slowly caught me north of Bulls last weekend - I made sure he got past at the first crawler lane and he slowly gained ground. I was travelling to the limit of the cruise control sitting in the left seat, which meant he was travelling just over the ping range. I caught up when he got stuck behind traffic at Mangaweka, and the same process unfolded up that crawler lane until the sky turned red & blue. This guy was not driving dangerously, and travelling at much less the speed that I would feel comfortable, but he got pinged.
So just to start a real argument - What speed do you feel comfortable at on a good open clear road! Mine would be 125. +
cjdnzl,
Jun 5, 9:42am
Some laws are ethical and moral, like the 10 commandments.Others are based on safety and practicality, like traffic laws.The problem comes where laws are made 'hard' when the reason for those laws is 'soft', like speeding.Everybody knows that speeding is a 'soft' problem, i.e. there is no single speed where it is either right or wrong - it depends on the vehicle, the driver, the weather, the road, other traffic, daytime, nighttime, and doubtless many other parameters. So insistence on a fixed speed limit might be practical but it cannot be held to be moral. Consider this: back before the change to metrication, the speed limit was 60 mph.After metrication it was changed to 100 kmh.But, 60 mph is not 100 kmh, it is 96.5 kmh - so where driving over 60 mph was illegal and dangerous, we are suddenly allowed to drive three-and-a-half k's faster and it's not dangerous! but today another half a k over that will buy you a ticket!Clearly this whole speeding thing is farcical, an artificial construct designed solely to gather revenue. Finally, speeding is the only 'crime' that can be measured on a meter, so of course that makes it mouth-wateringly attractive to the powers-that-be, so we're screwed, all of us.
crzyhrse,
Jun 5, 9:56am
More than a little biased then.
thejazzpianoma,
Jun 5, 10:08am
Nicely said! So many people forget to actually stop and consider what is trying to be achieved they just can't help themselves buying into absurdly stringent enforcement as if its a solution to the problem.
nickolaz,
Jun 5, 10:34am
I don't see how you can deduct that it is soley a revenue gathering exercise from the idea that speeding laws are a soft problem and policed in a hard way.
You have to set the limit somwhere. I'm not sure what the deal with North Island cops is, but many of you seem to have quite a bit against them. Then again, I woud tend to agree that there is quite a long wrong with our police culture in New Zealand, which doesn't help peoples attitudes towards police.
crzyhrse,
Jun 5, 12:31pm
No. I mean exactly what I said.
They see only the worst.
bmwnz,
Jun 7, 5:57am
Sorry to report that I've just returned home after a trip up to the 'naki. I used my cruise control as my driving aid all the way, including all 30, 50, 70 and 100kph areas. Sadly for the alarmists I didn't get a speeding ticket at all. When going downhill, yes I braked, which disengaged the cruise control, but lo & behold, at the bottom of the hill, a quick touch of the control stem and it engaged again. Amazing!
As I don't drive a mini, I kept a close eye on the speed variances going uphill. Twice my speed blossomed from having the big red needle sitting exactly over the white 100kph mark to almost 102kph! I was so worried! NOT!
Sorry to spoil the fun of our resident doomsdayer, but the cruise control in my car did not lead me into immediate trouble with the police. Not so the two cars who passed me (yep just 2 cars on the whole trip). BOTH were stopped in front of cars with red and blue lights a flashing later on down the road. Neither of them were in Minis either.
4k over the limit will stop crash's and it's not about the money. YEA RIGHT. Locals say this road is common for speeding so why don't the cops sit on it and dish out tickets. O Yea, SOME Boy racers don't care and don't pay their fines. But if you get someone at the end of a passing lane that is just over, there is a better chance they will pay. Some cops are pretty good, some just want the easy road
berg,
Jun 7, 7:00am
Maybe Minis are just sh1te. My dirty old Commonwhore only gains or looses about 2kms when on cruise on normal roads and I just slip it down a gear to maintain on steeper hills. I drove quite a bit yesterday past several police all while sitting between 95-100kph. Funny thing is, at 95kph I was still consistantly passing people and the 2 dumbar5e5 that passed me doing 65+ in the 50kph area both ended up behind me in the next town. Go figure
I do ALOT of driving on country rds, and any cars, trucks, motorbikes with lights / day running lamps on, stand out something wicked. Far better way to make the rd's safer. But then again, even though lives are saved, there is no money in it for them.
im_andrew,
Jun 7, 8:11am
Drove from new plymouth to hamilton saturday and back again sunday, the only speed camera vans I saw were on nice, long, clear straights after slow, winding twisty bits of road. So effectively targeting drivers speeding up to pass slower drivers. They say its not about revenue gathering! Who are trying to fool with that line!
gunhand,
Jun 7, 8:35am
Being a motorcyclist I can tell you that you cage drivers still cannot see us even when right in front of you making eye contact. I wonder if they would see a 40 tonne truck!. But yes day running lights, especialy those LED strips really help us motorcyclists aviod you. And I went for a 120 km drive and seen one unmarked car on the side of the road and one marked car driving and we didnt get caught either time. We were sitting on 100kph indicated too. Will be interesting to read all the discruntled threads on Tuesday from those who got pinged doin 104kph
lookoutas,
Jun 7, 10:24am
Quite a clever deduction. I'll be testing it out just after 1 o'clock, heading for Tauranga.
crzyhrse,
Jun 7, 10:47am
Please explain how you think THAT works. (this should be good for a laugh!).
wrong2,
Jun 7, 11:15am
lights on during normal clear daylight is a hazard
the glow from headlights reduces overtaking & increases wait times
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