I am stunned

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jezz43, Feb 10, 4:36am
you missed the F.

and im a poster in these forums. i come here for info and interesting threads, not to listen to your mindless drivel. have another drink and stfu
zephyrheaven, Feb 10, 4:39am
FO
jezz43, Feb 10, 4:45am
maybe you should just let it go and let this thread get back on track where it was. funnily enough its slinging matches like this that have caused the insightful posters to leave.

perhaps a bit of thought before you type wouldn't go astray
chris_051, Feb 10, 7:02am
Take a step back in time to the mid 1990s and Peugeot were getting 4l/100km with the 306 1.9 tdi. Come 2000 the figure wasn't much worse for the bigger 2.0 406 hdi. Yep the French have been a head of the game on a lot of things. Now a jappa can better 5l/100km and it's better than sliced bread. Too bad it costs the same as a v8 commodore
geedubu, Feb 10, 2:16pm
LOL post of the year (so far).
thejazzpianoma, Feb 10, 3:13pm
Agreed. Pretty much all of Europe have been concentrating hard on fuel economy for some time. Thats what happens when you have a continent of innovators and expensive fuel in the same continent at the same time.

If our government had any sense it would be aligning our road taxation policies so we could also be getting the best out of efficient diesels.
thejazzpianoma, Feb 10, 3:13pm
Agreed. Pretty much all of Europe have been concentrating hard on fuel economy since the beginning of cars. Thats what happens when you have a continent of innovators who have always paid a premium for their fuel.

If our government had any sense it would be aligning our road taxation policies so we could also be getting the best out of efficient diesels.
chris_051, Feb 10, 4:08pm
Yes, were you the one who $1 reserved a W123 5 cylinder diesel! From memory these things could return astounding fuel economy for a large car from the 70s/80s (as well as travel 1 million miles no worries). Granted all these earlier diesels are slow, but the 4 cylinder petrol alternatives are barely faster.
thejazzpianoma, Feb 10, 5:04pm
Yip, sadly though because of how our tax is structured these ultra economical diesels are not as cheap to run as they should be.

Interesting to note though, Fiat's "Multi Air" Petrol engines are ultra efficient too. They are a new break through design where valves are completely individually adjustable in terms of duration and lift. To the point that some valves can even be turned right off under certain running conditions.

A Twin Air petrol Fiat 500 will 3.7 l/100km on the open road, and stay under 5l/100km in the city.

Interestingly the performance is excellent as well.
thejazzpianoma, Feb 10, 5:12pm
Yip that was me, it had the smaller 4 Cylinder Diesel though, but many as you said were 5 Cylinder.

Interesting thing is the 5 Cylinder Turbo Diesel ones actually performed really well and were the first Diesel cars produced that could actually compete with a petrol car in the performance stakes. Like you say though, without the Turbo charger performance wasn't really a feature. Funnily enough though I never missed the pickup, because it was such a lovely cruising car I never felt the need to push it along.

The down sideis they require frequent oil changes and take consume 8 litres or so of oil each change.

Still economical running though when you line them up beside the similar sized Petrol offerings of the era.

The Diesels used in those were actually very old technology ones (From the 50's) they were quickly dusted off, updated a little and thrown into production as a response to the oil crises of the 70's.

What this did though was fuel the interest in Diesel cars in Europe that ultimately ended up with Fiat inventing the Common Rail system.
likit, Feb 10, 9:05pm
thejazzpianoma wrote:
This is probably predictable coming from me but I think that economy is pretty embarrassing for a 2011 car.
Have to agree,pretty sure I could get 45mpg from my 1976 Datsun 120y many many years ago.
marcos1, Feb 10, 10:16pm
I am stunned that I like the tone of Zephyrs posts.pmsl
wasser61, Feb 11, 2:56am
Now give us the figures for a fully laden Golf. And we all know what will happen, the figures will increase significantly.Also the cost premium that you will have to pay for a New Golf over the Toyota will more than make up for it.
thejazzpianoma, Feb 11, 3:54am
Sure,

Base model auto Corolla vs Base model DSG Golf
Price difference is $510 which you will make up in less than 15'000km or one year for typical New Zealander's.

Those economy figures I gave were already adjusted for a Golf carrying a similar full load. They were the U.K extra urban economy figures which I find are pretty much bang on what you get in NZ extra urban conditions when carrying a full load of passengers and luggage.

The U.K figures assume periods of travelling at 120km/h which from first hand experience seems to balance out our 100km/h (at best) travelling with a load.