Will they change signage at intersections like thi
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curlcrown,
Mar 25, 3:59pm
why. It has always been as it is now. Signs and traffic lights override other road rules.
smac,
Mar 25, 6:32pm
Think again.
FFS this rule change has driven the muppets out in force.
smac,
Mar 25, 6:35pm
evotime - what is you experience and/or qualification in traffic flow analysis, congestion management and the development or analysis of the alogarithms used to govern these situations! Just wondering.
manukarose1,
Mar 25, 6:45pm
The new rules are simple. As I have repeatedly said in this thread. If you didn't get my post you quoted then don't worry about it - it in no way contradicted the new rules.
smac,
Mar 25, 7:19pm
OK I'll bite. My understanding of your last couple of posts:
A picture was posted of a T intersection. The branch of the "top of the T" turning left into the minor road has a give way sign, so they need to give way to the right turners. Otherwise, under the new rules they would have had right of way.
YOU say, this means that even though they are on a give way, they don't need to.
Which bit of this doesn't mean you have no understanding what so ever of the new rule!
gabbysnana,
Mar 25, 7:27pm
give way to the right fools.
bagal,
Mar 25, 8:27pm
evotime
Looks like most replies are from people who are not familiar with the intersections. Has the giveway sign at the bottom of Brockville road always been there or is it new! Is the one at Princes Street new or has it been there for a while!
evotime,
Mar 26, 6:06am
Yep both have been there a while. Princess st I could previously see the point it split the rd going left so people treated it as an intersection rather than thinking it was just the same lane and was going behind the intersection and not giving way under old rules. The one on Brockville rd was there before the lights when kaikorai valley rd was uncontrolled with no lines and brockville rd had a stop sign right and merge lane left. I understand people haven't driven there and probably don't understand what I'm getting at that's why some are on their high horse trying to flame me. Kaikorai rd is already ripped up- up to that set of lights so I'll wait and see what they do with the road markings.
evotime,
Mar 26, 6:08am
Zero. I also have zero experience flying a plane but I'd still know when one was crashing. What's your point!
smac,
Mar 26, 6:19am
My point is you are a text book example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. If you are genuinely interested/concerned about these specific intersections, surely you have asked your local authority traffic engineers! What did they say!
pauldw,
Mar 26, 8:28am
There's a similar intersection to #1 in Wellington that's having a Give Way added because they can't keep giving the right turning traffic a green arrow phase if there is uncontrolled left turning traffic that also thinks it has right of way.
tonyrockyhorror,
Mar 26, 9:18am
I wasn't talking about that specific intersection. I was talking about the fact you don't seem to understand that the GIVE WAY rule doesn't only apply to uncontrolled intersections (your definition being "without any signs or signals"). It also applies to intersections that are controlled where the two vehicles are on the same sign or signal.
hamhonda,
Mar 26, 9:49am
I can sort of see where OP is coming from, and agree there are lots of people that dont read the signs anyway.I have a controlled t intersection that i go through every morning, on a main road, my side has a stop sign, other side has giveway, so from my understanding I have to giveway to them each time but still get waved to come through lots of times
bagal,
Mar 26, 1:55pm
OK, evotime, I would suggest that neither was really necessary under the old rules, but were there to ensure drivers did follow the rules. The Princes Street one was long a problem as you state. I would suggest they are more necessary under the new rules to ensure that right turners don't have to give way to left turners. Remember there is far more traffic turning right into Brockville Road than turning left.
erosmf,
Mar 26, 2:08pm
um, no thats not right, if you are facing each other on a green light and you were turning right, you have to give way to the other car no matter what.at a controlled intersection the new rules apply unless you have a red turning light.
bluecambridge,
Mar 26, 4:22pm
+1 - the new law "applies at cross roads, T-intersections and driveways where both vehicles are facing each other with no signs or signals, or the same signs or signals"
so if two cars are facing each other across an intersection, both on either give way/stop sign/traffic lights THEN the new rules apply and the left-turning car goes first. So the new rules DO apply at CONTROLLED intersections two when both cars face the SAME SIGNS OR SIGNALS (except for roundabouts) and at ALL UNCONTROLLED intersections.
So in practice, won't this be a little confusing!
smac,
Mar 26, 4:24pm
Which bit confuses you! The fact that the give way rules apply when two cars face each other and are subject to the same control (give way, stop, green light, whatever) has always been the case. That isn't new.
bluecambridge,
Mar 26, 4:36pm
Because the new rules don't apply to roundabouts - even though on a roundabout both cars are facing each other with the same signs. If it was a crossroads with give way signs both sides, the right-turning car gives way to left-turning (new rule) But on a roundabout, the left-turning still has to give way to right-turning car
smac,
Mar 26, 5:47pm
bluecambridge, as I said above, the new rules don't apply at round abouts just the same as the old rules didn't, that hasn't changed, so I really don't see where the confusion is.
At a round about you are not facing the car opposite, there is a separate road between you (the round about). SO if you are turning left at a round about,and the other car is going right, and is so far around toward you that you have to give way, you are not giving way because of the new or old rule, you are giving way because a non turning car is approaching from your right, and you want to pull onto the same road it's on. Think of the round about as 4 (r more) T intersections in a row if it helps. Either way, it hasn't changed.
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