Yes, am going to cop the "don't speed" flack i know, but am really wanting to know my rights in regard to disputing a ticket, and on what grounds etc.
Here is the scene. This afternoon, i am doing deliveries in my truck in Hawera, South Taranaki. I spot a red commodore ute, with dash lights etc. CVIU. They followed my along a 1km stretch of 50kph zone, then south out of the town into the 100kph area, where i was promptly pulled over for what appeared to be a routine check. I knew they were there, but drove as per normal - stopping, giving way, indicating, did not exceed 50kph etc. They did a full vehicle inspection, everything was in order. We were friendly, as i do believe they do have a job to do. It was at the end of the inspection that i was informed i would be receiving by post a fine for 112kph, exceeding the prescribed speed limit by 22kph. (truck are meant to be 90kph) I told them that was watching my speed when leaving 50kph zone, and my needle never rose above 95, as comparing with my GPS, i know 100kph on my speedo is 104kph on the gps. I asked to see the reading, which he took me back to his ute, and showed me the car speedo, claiming that he had "logged" in using the in-car speedo. The reading had not been logged, and he had not used a laser to take a reading either. The reading had not been logged on his speedo, but his passenger claimed he had viewed it, and that i would indeed be fined. We both left the scene, i did a delivery, and driving back past, i clicked my trip meter where i was stopped on the side of the road, was only 1km after leaving the 50k zone. i believe the point at which they put their red and blues on was approx 450m-500m from the 50 zone, and my GPS claims my fastest speed of the day was 103kph. I find it hard to believe that i could accelerate a truck to 112kph from 50kph, before being pulled over, considering i knew they were there, and the needle didn't rise above 95kph. they can't provide a reading, only them as "witnesses". If i receive a fine by mail, what rights, or ground can i contest it on! All helpful information appreciated.
pico42,
May 15, 6:44pm
You have the GPS log! If so, you can argue that you were not speeding as evidenced by the GPS.
countrypete,
May 15, 6:49pm
You may not even receive anything.I had a similar experience, the (two) officers wrote everything down and informed me I would receive a ticket in the mail. I never did.
flashgordon_nz,
May 15, 6:50pm
Is only an in-vehicle one - uniden IGO type thing. only got it yesterday, still still learning to drive the blimmin thing. it does a lot more than give directions to addresses like the old one! But were it a commercial type one. yeah, that would have been ideal.
flashgordon_nz,
May 15, 6:53pm
fingers crossed! Yeah, I've been pulled over in the past, in a car, in my younger days, and was alway too honest - i never asked to view the speed, because i fully knew i was doing it. but this one, I'm adamant that there is no was possible i could have exceeded 100kph.
They, in their ute, may have achieved 112kph by catching up to me, which they did, which would have meant they would have been doing 112kph BEFORE putting their red and blues one.
matthew111,
May 15, 6:53pm
dispute it all you like but at your peril.GPS is not calibrated so will not stand up in court The passenger officer can give evidence as can the issuing officer. dont know why you mention laser. That is irrelevant and incorrect. I suggest you are wasting your time and that of the Police. If you are convicted and found guilty you will pay extra court costs over and above your fine. I fail to see why you would dispute any speeding notice as you do admit you were speeding. getting off on some imaginary techinicality is farcical
flashgordon_nz,
May 15, 7:00pm
matthew111 - I fail to see why you would dispute any speeding notice as you do admit you were speeding. getting off on some imaginary techinicality is farcical.
I take on board your other comments, but where do i admit i was speeding!
flashgordon_nz,
May 15, 7:02pm
or let me rephrase that - i may have exceeded the 90kph limit for trucks, but in no way could have or would have exceeded 100kph, let alone the 112kph they are claiming.
morrisman1,
May 15, 7:14pm
VTEC kicked in YO. Thats what you should have told the officer
msigg,
May 15, 7:23pm
Two against one, coppers at that. Their word is worth more than yours. You may not get the ticket. Most people do speed a little bit but don't get caught. Waste of time contesting it if you do get the ticket. Pay up and move on.
morrisman1,
May 15, 7:26pm
And this precisely is why they get away with issuing such tickets, because they feel they can get away with it.
nightboss,
May 15, 7:41pm
If you get the ticket in mail, and you have grounds to believe it is wrong, dispute it. If the officers get a high proportion of their tickets disputed they do get investigated. This from a neighbour in the serious crash unit.
kaymay88,
May 15, 7:54pm
if you have a GPS log, contest it. My nderstanding was that you had the right to request to see the proof of the speed. provided it is practical to do so. Given that he was right there, and let you see in his car, Id say he has failed to prove that you were speeding. They have the technology to get a radar lock, no excuse not to have.
stuff them, argue it.
tonyrockyhorror,
May 15, 8:11pm
Stop talking such complete and utter bollocks. Your posts are never anything but a waste of bandwidth.
skull,
May 15, 8:20pm
F1 ^
cuda.340,
May 15, 8:22pm
good luck but i think you are screwed
thejazzpianoma,
May 15, 8:25pm
Please take the time to dispute this. Sure you may lose but its the right thing to do, by not doing so you are saying its O.K for the Police to lie and get away with it. My suggestions for evidence are as pointed out above. * Make it clear that you asked for and were provided NO evidence of your speeding. * Point out clearly what you said about it being impossible to accelerate to that speed in that time in your truck. Take a video of your demonstrating this (up to the legal limit). Take maps, diagrams and anything else you need to show this. * Get your GPS tested (video it going past an electronic speed sign), take photos of the screen and/or save the data showing the highest speed of the day. (your highest speed may have actually been in your car on the way home from the depot as it was about 100km/h)
Make it look like you are all business and have as much data and facts/figures as you can.
With any luck you will make the Cops look stupid and teach them a lesson for "trying it on".
Best of luck.
cowlover,
May 15, 8:34pm
Probably silly question but are CVIU authorised to issue speeding tickets!
flashgordon_nz,
May 15, 8:45pm
probably. they are nick named "they God squad" - because they are god when it comes to trucks. I believe they can, and I'm not disputing their authority to do so.
pauldw,
May 15, 8:55pm
Doesn't the southern exit from Hawera go down hill!
cowlover,
May 15, 9:12pm
Just wondered as I would have thought they would write it out on the spot.Since they didn't maybe can't so all a big bluff job.
scoobeey,
May 15, 9:22pm
mate go for gold i say! dispute it .i did and won . If you do it will prob b a year of backward and frowing letters and for such a small charge they wont be bothered . we should all clog up the court system bugger them all :)
flashgordon_nz,
May 15, 9:25pm
yes, well, it dips under the rail underpass, then climbs out again.
chris_051,
May 15, 10:37pm
Contest as per jazz's post, take into account how many demerits you'll get doing 22kmh over the limit, you might think she'll be right but within two years you may do a couple of log book infringements and get caught without a seat belt etc then next minute you're out of the drivers seat for 28 days and insurance goes thru the roof. One would think his method of 'locking' your speed wouldn't stand up in court. I would strongly advise in buying one of these cameras as something to cover your arse, the latest one is pricey but has GPS in it. When I was line hauling I was going to get one, I left the industry before I got around to it but did have one incident where it would have been worth its weight in gold.
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