Does yr GPS record trip times/speed etc!Just wondering if it has a record of some sort that you could download and refer back to! Sounds like bs on their part, who would speed knowing they behind them, and yes heading south under the rail overpass is downhill but only a little bit before the sharp uphill section .
gedo1,
May 16, 3:13am
Do your research.There has been a case where the driver, charged with speeding, used the GPS records as evidence in court and the case was dismissed.Wish I could remember more about this but it was one of those things that I thought curious at the time and then didn't think any more of it.It was well reported in the media at the time.
smac,
May 16, 6:11am
I doubt you'll get the ticket either. But if you do:
They won't look at your GPS as evidence, as I'm pretty sure the cases that have stood up were centrally logged systems, not in-car off the shelf. The grounds you DO have to contest it, if I've understood the scenario properly, is that they weren't following you for long enough in the open road section to ascertain your speed.
kazbanz,
May 16, 7:20am
NORMALLYI'd say do the crime do the time. But you by your statement have evidence you were NOT speeding. Whereas the police officers have their word. I would be taking a heck of a lot of care to preserve that clearcut evidence and without hesitation be disputing the charge. The only wrinkle I see is that you will actually need to go to court to dispute it. Send a letter to the cops saying what you have said to us as I bet the origonal ticket will be cancelled and a new ticket issued at the speed you provided evidence of. -so 14km/h over the limit -Then again -no ticket issued at the time-theres always the chance they might forget it
tonyrockyhorror,
May 16, 7:51am
Because he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about on pretty much any subject I've ever seen him post on.
tonyrockyhorror,
May 16, 7:58am
It was reported in the Herald on 13/10/2004 (I have the link but it's dead). IIRC he was a driving instructor and had to go to the High Court to have the JP decision overturned - the JP said they 'didn't understand the evidence'. Pathetic really.
gedo1,
May 16, 8:42am
Well done Tony etc etc. that sounds like the one I (sort of) remember.I know it had to go to High Court and the comments by the JPs sound like the same. As for the Herald report and the date, contact direct to the Herald will get you the details as they keep everything.May as well prepare for a ticket (but hope it doesn't arrive!).If it does let them know you are going to dispute and ask for FULL disclosure including any notes made by both officers at the time in the vehicle, times, actual point that so called infringement occurred, log times with Police Comms and a transcript of anything recorded there.anything else you can think of!
gedo1,
May 16, 8:49am
Your speedo, by the way, is unusual if it reads 100kph when your GPS is reading 104kph.It would normally be the other way around with the speedo reading 104 when the GPS shows 100kph.I note you say the record on the GPS showed the highest speed for that day as being 103kph which under normal circumstances would thus be about 107+kph on your speedo.Do a check on your speedo reading again against your GPS to make sure which way the speedo is reading.
craigsmith,
May 16, 11:15am
A passenger in the front left seat cannot accurately view an analog speedometer on account of the parallax caused by the needle always being some height above the gauge face. A gauge with needle at the top section of the dial will appear to read higher when viewed from the left.
Have to laugh at the last quote from Automobile Association motoring policy manager Jayne Gale. "We are not finding many flaws in the police system."
That's because, somewhat like the lower level courts, you're not particularly objective.
martin11,
May 16, 11:42am
How do you think Flying instructors get on when the pupil is flying the plane !
16feb08,
May 16, 12:53pm
One of 2 things will happen when you write in contesting the fine, either they will give up and graciously waive the fine (unlikely) or they will tell you the fine is still due by the due date (quite likely). I have contested fines and sent in my company gps logs to show I was not speeding and the cops stiltold me to pay up. I would have had to attend a court 400km away from home to fight it so I caved in like a bitch and paid up. But I for one am sick of people like me letting the revenue collectors get away with this, so no more I say! I will contest EVERY fine I get now if I feel it was unjustified and will take it to court if I need to, and I encourage OP to do the same. It will cost you a max. of $130 if you lose, but the cviu will lose 2 officers for half a day of revenue collecting. If more people stood up to these seemingly untouchable bullies, eventually I am convinced we would be able to make them accountable for their actions. NZ police = biggest gang in the country.
tonyrockyhorror,
May 16, 1:07pm
There's so much wrong with that comparison that it's just plain stupid.
craigsmith,
May 16, 2:03pm
I think my point is sufficient to trip the cop up in court.
To the passenger cop: "What reading did you note at the time in question, sir!" Cop: "112 km/hr." "Where were you sat in the vehicle at the time of reading this, sir!" Cop: "Front passenger seat." "Are you aware of parallax error in reading mechanical analog gauges, sir!" Cop: "Ummn what's that." <explain parallax to court> "You have stated you read 112 km/hr from the passenger seat, sir." Cop: "Ummn yes." <demonstrate actual reading of dial on Commodore dash when viewed normally when parallax gives 112 from the left> ".therefore you must agree that your testimony demonstrates that the true reading was XX km/hr, must you not sir!" Cop: "Ummn." "No further questions your honour."
It's a pleasant fantasy anyway.
cjdnzl,
May 16, 6:00pm
No problem.Almost all planes have dual instrument panels, and 'glass cockpits' have CRT or LCD screens that do not exhibit parallax.
pieman33h,
May 16, 6:59pm
dispute it, do not write in and explain yourself, head straight to court. The reason they will have not written you a ticket on the spot is because they are most likely non sworn officers without the power to do so, they will forward their paper work to a ticket writer and that person decides what ticket is written,
The onus is on the police to PROVE a charge, full disclosure of all their evidence they will produce at court will happen prior including all evidence, at which point you will find out how far they have gone to stitch you up, beleive me they do try to make their case look as good as possible, but you can defend yourself AND beat them, and they do not like it!
flashgordon_nz,
May 16, 7:17pm
Hey guys. Another Hard day behind the wheel, and a lot of good info here! and i think i have learnt a new phrase."Are you aware of parallax error in reading mechanical analog gauges, sir!". Thats Classic.
I heap of good, useful input.
Gedo - Reading my original post, yes, i have the speedo and GPS around the wrong way - and i tested in again tonight - 104 (just below the 105 mark) is 100 on the GPS.
I had just bought the New GPS the day before - Uniden IGO50. So still learning to Drive it, but have the trip reading recorded for the day. it appears i can't pull up a specific place and speed, but yes,, it shows a max speedo for the day at 103kph. and I know i where that was done.
flashgordon_nz,
May 16, 7:17pm
I appreciate the honesty!
flashgordon_nz,
May 16, 7:19pm
Thanks. I heard what your saying. I understand that such tracking is available in the full EROAD system, which is something I'm looking at putting into the new truck, so would be covered either way. But those cam's sure look interesting.
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