to fight car theft!It's so out of control and every NZer has either been a victim or knows someone that has. Why is it so low priority when it is usually the second most valuable asset an individual owns!
thejazzpianoma,
May 19, 7:42am
Basically the Police are broken. Its not just car theft its anything that requires Police involvement that is not "visible" to the greater public.
Our Police force has been replaced by a "smoke and mirrors" PR campaign with the likes of Police 10/7, Motorway Patrol, news media and keeping officers visible on the roads.That gives the illusion that we have Policing without paying for it. So long as people don't realise there is a problem they don't have to work out a way to fix it and spend the money an effort.
Behind the scenes the Police are completely disorganised, poorly trained and afflicted with many sub-standard officers who just drop the ball and screw up any investigations they become involved in.
Its sounds harsh and against the grain (because the PR is so good) but if you get a chance to see behind the scenes you will be amazed. I could post a list of all the absolutely crazy things I have seen but it would be a VERY long thread even by my standards. Also, people tend to discount and rubbish what I say because it seems to far fetched to those who havn't seen what goes on.
thejazzpianoma,
May 19, 7:42am
Basically the Police are broken. Its not just car theft its anything that requires Police involvement that is not "visible" to the greater public.
Our Police force has been replaced by a "smoke and mirrors" PR campaign with the likes of Police 10/7, Motorway Patrol, news media and keeping officers visible on the roads.That gives the illusion that we have Policing without paying for it. So long as people don't realise there is a problem they don't have to work out a way to fix it and spend the money and effort. I suspect many of the Politicians themselves have no idea how bad things are.
Behind the scenes the Police are completely disorganised, poorly trained and afflicted with many sub-standard officers who just drop the ball and screw up any investigations they become involved in.
Its sounds harsh and against the grain (because the PR is so good) but if you get a chance to see behind the scenes you will be amazed. I could post a list of all the absolutely crazy things I have seen but it would be a VERY long thread even by my standards. Also, people tend to discount and rubbish what I say because it seems to far fetched to those who havn't seen what goes on.
mantagsi,
May 19, 7:45am
Pass a law allowing owners to booby trap cars!
hounddog2,
May 19, 7:46am
Definitely seems to be put into the too hard basket. Doesnt help that they just give car thieves a slap on the hand
thejazzpianoma,
May 19, 7:47am
If they even get that far. Plenty of stories on here about people who have found their car and had to beg and grovel to try and get the Police to attend so they can get it back.
attitudedesignz,
May 19, 7:51am
Well "jazz", as a person with 2 close family members quite high in the force i'm calling BS on your statement.
You clearly have or have had an issue with the Police and your one eyed opinion is getting very boring very fast.
Note, my mums house was burgled a few years ago & the law were there within 20 min' of me calling them, and for 3 weeks following they were in constant contact with her & other family members regarding how things were going regarding the case.
So jazz, get over what ever problem you have. If you think other countries have a better Police force then please be my guest and leave.
thejazzpianoma,
May 19, 8:12am
I wouldn't be surprised if you get "priority service" with family memebers high up in the force.
That said it could just be where you live. Some stations are excellent, others are beyond hopeless. Its a shame too because often investigations require co-operation between stations and the good work of one is so often undone by the next in the chain.
You can call "BS" all you like, it dosn't change what I have seen. I can make a list if you want, but I get the impression you wouldn't believe it.
I have no personal issue with individual officers or anything like that. My issue is simply that I want the Police to be effective and efficient because it saddens me to see so many lose property and even lives because of how things are at the moment. Is that such a crime!
thejazzpianoma,
May 19, 8:12am
I wouldn't be surprised if you get "priority service" with family memebers high up in the force.
That said it could just be where you live. Some stations are excellent, others are beyond hopeless. Its a shame too because often investigations require co-operation between stations and the good work of one is so often undone by the next in the chain.
You can call "BS" all you like, it dosn't change what I have seen. I can make a list if you want, but I get the impression you wouldn't believe it. Your sample of one means nothing, its just like the so called statistics the Police tout at us about holiday crashes. I have had good experiences too where they have actually done their job, but even if those are 50% (which is no where near what I have seen) is that good enough!
I have no personal issue with individual officers or anything like that. My issue is simply that I want the Police to be effective and efficient because it saddens me to see so many lose property and even lives because of how things are at the moment. Is that such a crime!
galex,
May 19, 8:15am
Yeah but"2 close family members quite high in the force" would make a big difference to the response your family gets wouldn't it. I know people who had to wait a week for the police to show up after a burglary.
thejazzpianoma,
May 19, 8:20am
Bottom line. If I am so wrong and the Police are so good, why don't we look into it anyway! Those that appear so eager to brush things under the carpet should be absolutely fine with that if there is nothing to hide. If things are so good its only going to make me look like an idiot, and I am more than happy with that if it means the Police are in good shape.
As it stands though, these "enablers" just allow things to continue as they are, and more lives and properly are lost in the meantime.
bill-robinson,
May 19, 8:25am
Just to counterbalance your claim I have been burgled twice in 10 years since moving north, the last time about 10yrs ago, I am still waiting for the police to come around. Weaponsstolen on the second.
floscey,
May 19, 8:26am
so i guess you wouldnt name drop when you have a problem!
gunhand,
May 19, 8:39am
I do not think the Police force is all that bad but like every organisation there are the good bad and ugly. They are dictated to by the ministers above (officers at the front are) so can only do what they are told in the end.We all may think the focus is on petty crime likes of someone doin a skid or 110kph on the open road but if you do ingnore these events they become a bigger thing leading to a bigger problem. If you let people away with doin a skid they will soon do bigger skids and then kill someone eventually, it happens now. If you let people speed they will think they can go just that bit faster and again kill someone, happens anyway. Sure alot do not see what goes on night after night and the Police forces waste of time and effort on drunken or stoned teenagers (and adults) causing public distrubances and generally being a pain n everyones arse. If everyone had a little self control just maybe the police could get onto more important things. You see people now days just can not help themselves and think they entitled to be shit heads with no respect. And it starts in the home, the schools (who have been hamstrung by the PC lot) and now the work force where you can not even fart in front of someone with out a personal grievence being slapped on ya. And I always like it when people say "go catch a real crook" well maybe if you were not actually doing what you were doing (wether you think its petty or not) at the time they could and not waste there time dealing with you. And theres that much happening all the time the police are over whelmed these days anyway. Someone wants the drugs and stolen property, is it you! And the stupid court system where some Lawyer can hold it up for years because some poor over worked cop didnt dot an I is stupid as well. Just imagine if everyone stuck to the correct speeds (you get there just the same) and nobody flogged others items or shagged there misses or smoked or injected drugs, there would be one cop per town just about. To quote the late Michael Jackson,"The man in the mirror" has alot to answer for.
clark20,
May 19, 9:05am
Why is it the polices fault we have a country of scumbags! Why do we have so many people who think its OK to steal something, that is the REAL issue here. I would rather like the police to have nothing to do, like fireman.
tonyrockyhorror,
May 19, 9:05am
Can you not do anything for yourself!
attitudedesignz,
May 19, 9:08am
See above. The statements you both made are flawed at the least.
thejazzpianoma,
May 19, 9:11am
I agree you could indeed reduce the workload if we could improve society and stop idiots wasting Police time etc. This is definitely worth pursuing.
However it needs a LOT more than that, the Police from what I have seen are an absolute mess and their priorities are often unbelievable.
For example, near where I live they chose to have a unit pick up a Santa Clause for a PR event over attending a call involving the attempted kidnapping of a child.
Also, their organisation is so beyond hopeless they could make a huge amount more Police time available just by sorting out their systems and following through on things. I have seen hundreds of hours of time wasted on one offender simply because every time he was located they failed to prioritise picking him up. So then he would go and commit dozens more crimes (each wasting Police time as they were reported) before he was located again. This cycle was repeated time after time after time.
attitudedesignz,
May 19, 9:12am
I agree.
I wonder if "jazz" has ever seen what the Police actually have to put up with day in day out. I have seen some of it through driving tow trucks years ago and i can tell you i don't envy them. I'd bet my left one that any 'first responders' who use the MB would back me up on that one.
attitudedesignz,
May 19, 9:15am
You truly are unbelievable. Instead of sitting on your 'high horse', get out and change things. It's not hard to get into council and then progress up from there.
I'm getting so tired of your self rightous attitude.
thejazzpianoma,
May 19, 9:15am
Whether I have seen the nasty stuff they put up with or not is irrelevant. Its no excuse for being hopelessly inefficient and disorganised.
Its also not really the fault of the Officer on the street. The problem lies in the terrible organisation and management of the higher ups. They are the only ones in a position with the help of the Government to fix things.
This is a typical "diversional" argument designed to passify the masses and stop anything being done to fix things. The Officer on the street should welcome some changes that make their life easier and increase the respect they get from the public.
gunhand,
May 19, 9:16am
Id agree with that.
thejazzpianoma,
May 19, 9:18am
What needs changing is public attitude. Once people are aware of whats going on change can happen.
I am doing my bit right here right now by letting people know what I have seen and encouraging them to take a look for themselves.
You can't fix a problem people don't know exists. There is no need to spend years becoming a politician just to get people to become aware of an issue.
What you are doing is counter productive as it just "enables" the problem to continue.
attitudedesignz,
May 19, 9:19am
I knew you would gun', given your past occupation mate.
Jazz, STOP bitchin' and do something about it. You are obviously intelligent & articulate so go ahead.
thejazzpianoma,
May 19, 9:20am
Why can people not see that my argument is not about "hating Police" its simply about trying to get them fixed up so they are efficient and can do their job properly!
Heck what I want will help the officer in the street tremendously, why is that so very hard to comprehend!
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