If you read the above you would understand that I am!
The very first step is public awareness. that's what I am doing right now.
What are you doing to help!
attitudedesignz,
May 19, 9:23am
You may think you are "helping" us open our eyes buy i'm afraid alot of what you say is ignored by alot of posters and disregarded.
thejazzpianoma,
May 19, 9:26am
Which is not helped by posters like you. Sure most people will blindly buy into the nonsense propoganda they see on T.V as opposed to what one guy on a messageboard says.
The T.V nonsense has a huge budget and is carefully designed, clearly its done its job on people like yourself. But I can still try and get the message of what I have seen across, its all I can do.
I am still quite puzzled as to why people are so against improving our Police, its like I am suggesting we introduce child prostitution or something!
I just want to save lives and property!
matthew111,
May 19, 9:46am
It isnt low priority at all. The Government has nothing to do with it.
matthew111,
May 19, 9:49am
+1 yo9u have no idea what you are talking about. The Police are the most professional in the world in this country but they are understaff and under resourced and will continue to be so due to budget cuts.
neo_psy,
May 19, 9:51am
Exactly. Why is everything in this country the "government's" responsibiity.
Look after your own stuff. Take care where you park your car, get a high quality alarm fitted (house too) and keep valuables out of the car.
And have insurance in case the scumbags do get your stuff.
I won't try and argue whatever issues some people here have, no point.
But I will make one point that seems relevant: vehicle theft rates, and other dishonesty crime types are dropping in NZ, and have been for some time.
So WTF are you guys on about!
pebbles61,
May 19, 10:20am
Agreed, but the moment I shoot or stab the bugger trying to nick my car, the flith will do me for it.that's fair.
thejazzpianoma,
May 19, 10:27am
You raise an interesting point. However the results are not as clear cut as they appear.
When you survey the public most have little direct experience with the Police, these people are basing their "feelings" about the organisation primarilyon what they see on T.V and in the media. Thats why I say the "real" Policing has gone and in its place we have this facade of PR spin. Just like the emperors new clothes we don't realise its just PR nonsense until we need them and they are not there.
Also, crime rates I suspect are mostly down because people are not reporting crime as much. After their first burglary or theft gets no response many people don't bother to report any subsequent crime. I have seen this first hand.
The evidence is there plain as day for anyone who gets to have a peek behind the scenes. Survey's, awards and other PR nonsense does nothing to actually get Police to follow up on crime when you need them.
extrayda,
May 19, 10:28am
Too much to read above, but. Someone I know had her house broken into when there were only two females there.She disturbed the burgler who left the house.Rang the police, they asked if the burgler had left, she said yes.Took two days for them to turn up. On the other hand, it does seem that when they do get offenders to court, the justice system pretty much lets them off, which would be very discouraging for the cops. Justice system and penalties needs a BIG shake up, followed maybe by police and procedures.
thejazzpianoma,
May 19, 10:33am
Agreed, the Justice system (although I know less about this than the Police) does appear to need some sorting out as well. The two need to be revamped together.
Its worth noting though, once you fix the Police you indirectly start a spiral that will ultimately take some pressure off the Justice system. By that I mean once offenders start being caught early and preferably after their first offence they are surely far less likely to carry on to bigger and worse crime. Also, the justice system is then more predominantly goingto deal with easy single event cases that are easy and efficient to prepare for. As opposed to trying to prosecute someone for the several years worth of crime that has accrued by the time they are apprehended.
Its mostly just a question of organisation and efficiency. Shifting the priorities away from going through the motions and looking good in the media to actually doing the work.
The same problems affect many organisations when you start to manage them in this way. Although the Police are by far the worst I have seen.
smac,
May 19, 10:33am
Yeah righto, hang them for not responding, but then say crime is only down because people aren't reporting.
You should get into stand-up, ironic humour is always popular.
thejazzpianoma,
May 19, 10:36am
I fail to see your point!
arandomusername,
May 19, 10:36am
The survey is clear, if you bother to read it. It breaks down results based on whether the respondent has had contact with the police or not.
"When asked how the service they actually received compared to their expectations, the great majority of respondents(88%), said the service they received was about the same/better/much better than they had expected, including 32% mentioning that it was better (22%) or much better (10%) than expected."
You can bleat all you want about "personal experiences" but you can't seem to accept that the majority of New Zealanders are happy with the police. This is reflected by posters on the MB, independent surveys and studies.
You are being deliberately obtuse.
attitudedesignz,
May 19, 10:37am
And there's YOUR problem right there jazz.open BOTH of your eyes.or at the very least read what you type BEFORE you post.
thejazzpianoma,
May 19, 10:41am
This is not reflected by the posters on the messageboard at all. Of the three in this thread that have actually quoted a specific incidence only one has had a satisfactory outcome. Thats not a good ratio at all.
As far as sentiment, there are plenty of people in this thread who are unhappy with the performance and after all the whole point of the thread was about the poor performance of Police responding to car theft!
thejazzpianoma,
May 19, 10:44am
Clearly you have just descended into personal attacks only now. I will be ignoring your posts from here on in.
arandomusername,
May 19, 10:45am
Right. so people have to "quote a specific incident" before you will accept they are happy with police.
What about all the studies, surveys and awards! More PR spin I suppose! Although because they were all conducted by organisations independent from the police it is some king of conspiracy! Everyone's in on it!
rsr72,
May 19, 10:46am
Excellent, and worth repeating .
pollymay,
May 19, 10:51am
It doesn't matter if you do get your car back, the courts let them off and they just steal it again anyway. I know someone who had their car stolen 3 times by the same guys cause they were just targeting him out of spite.
Your best bet is a GPS tracker at this stage then deal with it how you want.
thejazzpianoma,
May 19, 10:56am
Well yes it does help to know whether they are talking from actual experience or basing their experience on what the media sells them.
Also, if you do a quick survey of the people in this thread with a clear opinion you will see that those who are unhappy with the Police actually outnumber those that are.
I got 8 unhappy and 6 happy but its open a little to interpretation as one seemed neutral and others could possibly be read more as comments on the others posts than the original topic. But even if you said sentiment was 50:50 thats not a good ratio.
Anyhow, I am off to do some work. Always nice to have some robust debate about something worthwhile on the boards!
arandomusername,
May 19, 11:01am
Perhaps because the title "Why isn't the government doing much" attracts mainly people who believe the government isn't doing much!
mlh19658,
May 19, 11:03am
There's a Books Message Board on here. Ever thought about going there to write your stuff!
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