I realize that, still stupid. Most common car here is still falcodores and they are pretty powerful. If a bar is going to be set it kinda has to be beyond them otherwise you can't even take the family car out which is kinda necessary on learners and restricted. You still have n/a skylines and all that running around then.
Plus you need a list of vehicles allowed and disallowed but what happens when it is something weird like a skoda, cop probably hands out a ticket anyway cause they are an asshat.
And the cars that crash are still crapboxes with guys driving like loons. I'd of been royally pissed with an engine restriction cause I was always fetching peoples cars when they were pissed or whatever. Very few police can use common sense with the laws they are handed in such situations so they can stick it cause it'll just turn into a nice little earner and we'll still have dolts that don't care about the law on the road.
flybye_in_a_rx7,
Jul 4, 11:43am
i cant see any kind of restriction working. its better training that needs to be given, and it needs to be compulsory. cc restriction is dum, i have a 2L car which isint overly powerful, but you can also get a really fast 2L car. Kw restriction wont work it will be far too much effort to work out how much Kw your car has. its got to be practical. easy enough to make all these rules but just makes it hard for police to follow, plus people will find ways around these kind of things. better training i reckon is what is needed. someone probably already said that but i havent read the whole thread
mrfxit,
Jul 4, 12:33pm
KW is pi$$ easy to work out = Stick to the factory rating = NO performance mods Part of the license conditions can be that they can drive any vehicle provided a legal license holder of 2 years or over IS sitting BESIDE that driver. Of course that would apply when on a restricted or learner licence & even more so because a LEARNER isn't allowed on their own anyway. The other condition could be that the car in question (being the family owned vehicle) MUST belong to a direct family member & a direct family member is to be the co-driver/teacher (at the time). Driving instructors are automatically exempt (as it is now)
mrfxit,
Jul 4, 12:38pm
1: This is where tougher multi level penalties come in. 2: DUH, LOL . well yes of course & could be incorporated more in to the schools as suggested above.
superdave0_13,
Jul 4, 1:35pm
Too true. Limit every road using vehicle to 100kph.
pollymay,
Jul 4, 4:35pm
I go to the track often, what now! They will crash in the rain under the limit, what then! Volunteer fireman/paramedic/whatever on the way to an accident what then!
We need better driver training, no band-aid fixes, no fluffing about at the end cause just stop letting uneducated, untrained and incapable drivers on our roads young or old.
singing1,
Jul 5, 6:37am
How about teaching your kids to drive properly plus give them an outlet (like on a track or in the paddock) to let off steam.
singing1,
Jul 5, 6:44am
N.Z wake up. We don't need more f**king rules to stop us doing anything. Very soon we will have to get a bloody resource consent and sign a bloody form to wipe our arse. I'm sick of it. Get real.
mrfxit,
Jul 5, 7:40am
Totally agree BUT also need to tighten up the rules with defined progressive punishments & stick to them. NOT sticking to the rules is 1 of many faults with the current PC leniency .
How many ppl do you hear of that have built up $10/20 THOUSAND dollars worth of fines & had it wiped for various reasons. Point there is they shouldn't have been able to build up those sorts of fine amounts in the 1st place. It's simply total disregard for current law & punishment systems.
The US system of 3 strikes would work better if it was restricted to "3 similar" law breachs & not the current 3 of anything.
i-n-horz,
Jul 5, 7:45am
Touche! the best time to make a difference and influence young minds is at an early age and during school years.parental guidence is not reliable enough on the whole.some parents don't give steam'n dog kack what their kids learn or do not learn. It's starts at the root of the problem and that's teaching youngsters every aspect in the role of vehicle control,safety and rules.but also most importantly respect for their actions,road rules and other road users.
mrfxit,
Jul 5, 7:46am
Redefine the laws for better progresion & stick to it.
Eg: getting caught for . 1: Do 1 burnout in public = small fine & or warning 2: Do 2 burnouts in public = moderate fine & or lmpounded car for 1 month 3: Do 3 burnouts & car sold & heavy fines
3a:if it's someone elses car then the car is impounded for 1 month & heavy fines imposed & shared between both partys
mrfxit,
Jul 5, 7:48am
Agree but SOME teenagers don't "give a shite" regardless & will still do as they please. This is where the 3 similar strikes concept would kick in best.
i-n-horz,
Jul 5, 8:00am
Yep that's a fact that can't be escaped always a bad apple in the bunch at least with schooling,training & the 3 strike rule concept roads at best would be a hell of a lot safer in the future and maybe.just maybe respect might become common place.
flybye_in_a_rx7,
Jul 5, 11:37am
oops. whats this 3 strike thing!
i-n-horz,
Jul 5, 12:10pm
Blantantly breaking the law by excessive speeding you'll get 3 chances + incur increasing fines/penalties to help correct your behaviour, after the 3rd offence vehicles impounded a hefty fine or your up for a stripe suntan. Other similar scenarios would be. Careless use of a motorvehicle.3 and your done. Operation of a vehicle while under the influenece.3 and your a member of AA Failing to adhere to rules at a stop sign, giveway or intersection.3 done again. for lesser offenses after strike 3 a driver training course must be completed to once again obtain you road licence. I guess there would be a period where you'd go back to zero.2yrs maybe!
mrfxit,
Jul 5, 12:12pm
Mmmm well done, pretty much what I was thinking of
i-n-horz,
Jul 5, 1:38pm
Great minds think alike.lol.well that's what my Daddy always told me.
cocabowla,
Jul 5, 1:58pm
once upon a time parents actually took charge of what their children could or couldnt buy in the way of vehicles. my first car was a mini 850 then a anglia 1100 or 1300 cant recall which now, m/cycles i was only allowed a 50cc to start for the first year then a 250 then a 550 etc. nowadays there is so much disrespect for parental authority the kids go buy whatever they feel like and the parents just shrug the shoulders rather than do whats right, there arent enough police patrolling the roads to keep them driving as they should ,so with the limited risks of getting caught of course they think they are capable of driving at 11/10ths and are bulletproof (after all thats what happens on video games so it must be true )
singing1,
Jul 5, 2:40pm
Now we are getting somewhere.So how are we going to help them!
pollymay,
Jul 5, 3:08pm
True, my first car was a 1600. I only gravitated to more powerful autos once I had a handle on driving. Most of my accidents were in the 1600 to, the 300hp beasts I drive of today I have less trouble with.
cocabowla,
Jul 5, 3:09pm
we didnt have to worry about the law impounding vehicles, we worried about our stepfather doing it . i was to scared to do anything silly but one of the older brothers got caught a couple of times (30 odd years ago cant recall exactly what for ) so step dad doubled the fine & and any licence suspension . how to fix it ! there isnt a quick fix obviously but it will certainly take more than people just thinking govt regulations are the be all to end all of it.
mrfxit,
Jul 5, 3:24pm
LOL . DING Now we're getting down to the truth
mrfxit,
Jul 5, 3:29pm
Na I must just be an odd ball, my parents never said anything like that to me or even implied it. I simply did what was "right" right from the start. Might have had something to do with the fact I rebuilt my 1st car when I was 14 going on 15 (1952 Humber 10) from a collection of spare parts & bare body shell, even the motor had to be totally rebuilt & it was all my own work. None of this "i built my car = paid the garage to do it for me" crud the teens do these days .
mrfxit,
Jul 5, 4:10pm
Similar progression that can easily be explained by the better safety equipment on modern cars & better roads. Imagine what it would look like with slower overall road speeds by the inexperienced drivers
pollymay,
Jul 5, 4:29pm
I've never hidden the fact I've done some dumb things. What I can't get over is the blame the car mentality, it was a 1600cc. It probably made 90hp at the wheels. In order to beat other cars on the track I'd just push harder till ultimately I rolled the car. It was my bad, it was pure inexperience, I just did everything wrong and probably locked it up halfway through the slide rather than powering out of it.
You can ban powerful autos but you still have inexperience behind the wheel, it's that root cause that needs to be addressed, compulsory courses or whatever. I mean i had compulsory french and maori studies in high school, not knowing another language hasn't killed a bunch of people but not being able to drive has. Stop with the PC bullshit and teach something useful, have a day course of driving on a wet skidpan for $50 or something, it doesn't have to be elaborate or long winded just more than what the current system teaches that indicating left off a roundabout is the most important thing on earth. I don't see why something shouldn't be implemented.
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