http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/14889840/maintaining-a-car-could-soon-be-a-lot-cheaper/ I agree with the warrent system the way it is, but rego is way to much, would be nice if you could pay so much per family etc not for each vehicle you own. my old dunger that goes to the shop twice and week and the dump on sunday costs the same as a car driven everyday traveling 1000kms per week not right some how.
a.woodrow,
Sep 19, 3:52pm
I've said it before and I'll say it again, drivers should be registered, not cars.
vtecintegra,
Sep 19, 3:53pm
Ideally it should be on distance travelled.
As this has its own difficulties (see the situation with diesels) the easiest thing to do would be shift all the tax including the ACC levy onto fuel. Obviously those of us with, lets say, less economical cars will lose out but that's a fair trade off to me
a.woodrow,
Sep 19, 3:59pm
A good idea in theory BUT what about boaties etc!
berg,
Sep 19, 3:59pm
OK with 12 month WOFs on cars less than 10 years old but would put a 150,000km limit there as well. As for rego, my submission says put it on fuel. That way everybody who uses fuel pays. As it stands plenty of cars and bikes are unregistered but paying on the fuel would meen everybody pays as they go.
johnf_456,
Sep 19, 3:59pm
You still have accidents on the water
a.woodrow,
Sep 19, 4:08pm
Yes but water doesn't need to be maintained like a road does
motorboy2011,
Sep 19, 4:12pm
but who owns the water! we could fast find some native peoples wanting to be paid to allow a water craft on the sacred water
wind.turbine,
Sep 19, 4:15pm
I don't agree with putting it all on fuel. what about buying fuel for bikes on farms that done even go on the road at all! it will be paying for something that we dont use. the amount of fuel that we go through atm on farm bikes alone not inc cars is near to $1K a month! whats it going to be if they put it all on the fuel! same thing the boats. same thing with people running there houses of petrol generators. do you get my point yet! it would just not work. I think one great way to do it is to to have every person that has a drivers license pay a set amount each year. probably the best way to do that is take it out of income a tax then it will drip feed out and they wont have to pay one large sum but they should also give the chance to pay is full as well. and if you don't have an income the you end up owing tax that is your problem
wind.turbine,
Sep 19, 4:16pm
puts hand up.ITS MINE!
skin1235,
Sep 19, 5:20pm
you've listed a whole set of circumstances that DO work well already, the fuel used on farm is already redressed very simply, if you find it difficult perhaps you should only claim legitimate amounts - the hard ones are the illegitimate ones, inventing vehcles and kms travelled on farm to warrent the fuel used is very taxing
yes I also use in excess of $1k per month on farm, and claim that with genuine hrs, genuine kms, sometimes up to $2.5k , never found it difficult, never has any hassle, you simply claim for any fuels used offroad, ird either credit your bank or gst account ( you choose which)
why should my pensioner mum who drives maybe 6k km a years pay a rate the same as the courier driver next door who does that in a week, or even me who does 30k km per year
put it on fuel, national fleet of what 4.5m vehicles gobbling down 6m lt week ( just a guess on the numbers - someone will have a link to show the reality), up the lt rate based on current usage to recover coin lost including the ripoff acc and you've only upped the lt by maybe 3c
warrents are a load of crapola all the way through, scrap the whole system, up the penalties for unroadworthy vehicles and stop the bulldust about impound etc - if it ain't fit crush it, and fine the driver
johnf_456,
Sep 19, 5:27pm
Well said skin1235, of course every method has its pros and cons but the fuel is the most fairest way to do it. It saves us money as well us petrol heads that have multiple toys.
berg,
Sep 19, 5:45pm
Bonus for me is if WOFs no longer exist I will have a job for life and more work than ever before. As for rego on fuel, as a huge percentage of the tax on rego is ACC, putting it on fuel covers all devices that are a risk that wouldn't currently be covered. In saying that, I also like the idea of it being part of your drivers licence. The more classes you have, the more you pay. The more advanced driving courses ect you do, the more discount you get. The more accidents or tickets you get, up goes your price.
clangie,
Sep 19, 5:51pm
if they change to yearly wof,a wof price will go up to $100+,anything that changes will cost us more. the goverment will NEVER lose out. they will say yearly wof yayyyyy, but then rego will be put on petrol and we will be paying more per year. anyone who thinks the goverment will reduce the price of something without raising the price of something else is plain STUPID imo
skin1235,
Sep 19, 5:53pm
berg, the ACC is easy to proportion, we already have ACC rates for farms, and industrial sites, claiming back any ACC overpay ( by fuel) on off road vehicles would be a couple of ticks on the current claim form every farmer uses ( and every boaty etc can use already even your lawnmower can be exempt - but should it be anyway, ACC would have the figures on injuries related to mowers per ann penalising me because I may have every class ticked on my licence is getting a bit precious don't you think, put it on fuel and for every class I drive I'll be paying (through the fuel) my share
berg,
Sep 19, 5:57pm
Already talked to fella from VTNZ and he said yep, year WOFs would cost $100 or so. They are cacking themselves because they can see their nice little earner going down the dunny. Thing is clangie, so many vehicles out there are currently used but un registered. Putting rego on fuel may save some but it will cost those who are currently thumbing their nose at the law evening it out for the gubberment.
gunhand,
Sep 19, 5:59pm
Everybody will want it to suit there own circumstance as many will think "I shouldnt have to pay" (add reason)but we all use the road at some time or other. Some more than others, some with heavy cars some with a motorcycle. some with six cars some with one. Why shouldnt a boat pay! you dont have to have a licence or reg or warrent for it so its free entertainment apart from running costs. And its not like boaties and jet skiers dont cause damage to the roads by towing them and they have accidents on the water. Sure your trailer has a warrent etc but by itslf it wont do bugger all damage to anything, not that an average boat would either buts still more weight on our already crap roads. So how would you pay if not via a rego!No idea really so it seems fair for all. But I reckon per driver isnt a bad one, I pay one fee and can have as many cars bikes as I like, sounds not to bad.As for at the pump! well how much would it make a ltr! $3 $4!That would mean instead of 25 ltr costing about $50 (at $2 ltr to make it easy) it would cost $100 for 25 ltr at $4. Ouch. Or would it be only a few cents.that creaps up and up. Hard one but I like per driver myself.
a.woodrow,
Sep 19, 6:00pm
Why should the price of a wof go up, are they doubling the checklist!
kwaka5,
Sep 19, 6:18pm
Only thing i would like to see changed is motorcycle registration. The rider should be registered, so going on that why can't a driver be registered like in the states. As long as the vehical is WOF'd then i can't see an issue.
skin1235,
Sep 19, 6:19pm
a set fee per driver gunny!, again what of the pensioner who does ONLY drive to church on sunday
vtecintegra,
Sep 19, 6:20pm
I don't see why you couldn't have a system where you can claim some portion of the fuel tax back if you are using it for a non-on road use
franc123,
Sep 19, 6:22pm
LMAO, I wouldn't take any notice of anyone at VTNZ, they don't know crap about anything, they are just an inspection outfit like anyone else, they aren't NZTA and don't make or implement any rules, NZTA have not indicated that more extensive tests will be implemented.If they were to (unjusifiably) raise inspection fees that much they would only be increasing the already marked decline in their market share.Whats going to hurt them more is the possible outsourcing of COF's to anyone who is already in the business of servicing and repair of heavy vehicle fleets and who wants to spend the money on the brake roller gear etc. IF/when that happens most of the heavy transport operators will be giving VTNZ a two fingered salute in wholesale lots. There is almost certainly going to be job losses at vehicle testing stations generally and they know it.
intrade,
Sep 19, 6:23pm
in switzerland a wof costs about 80$ and it is for 3 years. and here is how it works you are allowed 3 things to fail. if they find 4 things wrong you get sent on your marry way to fix the faults and all others also, so they dont find more then 3 next time. the 3 still have to be fixed and rechecked befor the wof is issued. and crappy cars get 2 year and real bad wracks that have 100 welding patches get a year only . if you get sent away with 4 faults you get a new date and pay another 80 smackers again . so its up to the guy who brings it to the wof to have it up to wofstandard not the wof place to make a kilometer long fault list.
gunhand,
Sep 19, 6:23pm
Maybe if you can prove low useage ya get a discount, but as we all know there no one cap fits all really.And No one suggested a fee yet, so maybe if it was only $200 a year each it might work for a pensioner. And being old dosnt mean being broke, you still get a pension with a mill in the bank, but i hear what ya saying. Geez some on min wage struggle with regos etc.
skin1235,
Sep 19, 6:24pm
the increase per lt fuel would be very small
how many M lt per year sold! what does the rego bring in currently!
as for WOF - dump it and increase penalties for un roadworthy, vtnz will still be busy checking referred vehicles ( cops issue a ticket = 2 days to get an all clear or very heavy fine and argue to keep the vehicle from the crusher) won't alter the number of unsafe upward and may actually lower it
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