Our son died in a high speed crash, his best mate died 5 hours later , We made a dvd to show to year 12/13 school kids so they can see what happens when you make the wrong choice. http://therippleeffect.org.nz
They dont teach us how to handle our cars so of course we plough them into everything and anything at a drop of a hat. Nothing wrong with speed, its what gets us from A to B. Some posters seem to imply that it is better to wait for the planet to rotate, than to engage in a bit of speed. Most people are probably partial to a bid of speed. I love a bit of speed between the legs or under the seat. If the government was serious about road deaths it would implement real training for vehicle control to avoid loss of control, instead of lame adds of Falchoons falling off roads and other lame duck initiatives eg chocolates for not being pissed at the wheel. They say (not the man) that a speeding but involved driver is less likely to be a ???victim??
gunhand,
Dec 14, 8:43am
Who is "they" who are not teaching us! And who is going to pay! More ACC, petrol tax, licence tax or just$500 everytime you go for an advanced driving lesson. Then if You fail another $500. Plus the other costs involved. Im sure the government would cough up. AT OUR EXSPENSE.
mcscottwgtn,
Dec 14, 8:47am
Gunhand - who are they! The government, the authority that we get a bit of plastic to say we can ride the highways and byways. We the public pay and pay. But paying to teach us to drive and 'control' our vehicles is probably cheap compared to the current situation.
hamishcookie,
Dec 14, 8:51am
You should actually have to earn a licence not have the right to get one when your a certain age, and not everyone should be able to get a licence.
chippy_45,
Dec 14, 8:54am
its all those bundies rolling round on cut springs that bounce off the road into powerpolls, lamp posts and even children walking the footpath. cant afford a set of kingsprings for $200 but they can afford to spend a few thousand dollars on their rwd DrIfTa pieces of shiz
mcscottwgtn,
Dec 14, 8:55am
'Hamishcookie' it appears from the drivil on telly that some dont even bother to get a licence or do any formal training at all. Appears some just jump in a motor and drop and clutch and go for it. It makes great entertainment from the viewing point of view.
gunhand,
Dec 14, 8:55am
The driving public as you said pay and pay and im sure having to pay even more again would go down like a ton of bricks. I do agree that at 16 kids with bugger all experince outside xbox are let loose in weapons with no real skill. Teenagers are odd things as you may know. Give them skill and they think there even more safe or better and therfore push the boundries more. Plus that they think there bullit proof and in alot of cases above the law. Simple bit of proof is. They have very very simple conditions on there learners licence yet day after day night after night thousands of them breach them all the time. So If they can not follow simple conditions my 6 yo could understand what can you do.
mcscottwgtn,
Dec 14, 8:58am
'chippy-45' kids will be kids. They dig the bouncy car look, us older and possibly wiser lot probably dont dig or understand it. I love low riders (american stuff), but kids cutting springs on jappas makes no sense - it must completely stuff the handling.
chippy_45,
Dec 14, 9:03am
well il be honest im not 'older' or 'wiser' i am only 20 but iv lived the boy racer scene lost my license my fair share of times and done burnouts where i shouldnt. fortunately for me i grew out of it fairly quickly. dont get me wrong tho i do like the odd bit of fun but my ideah of fun is not bouncing round suburban areas at 3 in the morning skidding it up and locking it sideways round every corner. i also hate big bore exhausts with a passion
mcscottwgtn,
Dec 14, 9:07am
So you are a reformed boy racer! Cool. Whats the inside line! Did you hate the 'man'! Did you think it was harmless fun! What changed! Do you still have that hankering for speed.
jono2912,
Dec 14, 9:09am
Okay, I've only read the first post but in my opinion we need: Better ROADS Advanced DRIVER TRAINING New, younger drivers need NEWER SAFER CARS
chippy_45,
Dec 14, 9:11am
well i lost my license for lack of demerits 3 months for learner driver unocompanied. had it back for a week got my first turbo car decided to get in the drag chain the first friday night i had it in town hussed up a skid out of the carpark where everyone parked up then ended up boosting down the road at 180kmph and got snapped for dangerous driving lost my license for 28days there and then, then had it back for another week and wento court and lost it 12months so 14months all up was enough to make me not want to drive like that anymore. it seems harmless fun at the time except putting unessacary pressure on your engine, gearbox and driveshafts and CV's wich you dont realise untill your car ends up going BANG one day like all those skylines and cefiros you see on the side of the road with the bonnets up with a bunch of beanie wearing dickheads standing round it scratching their heads
chippy_45,
Dec 14, 9:14am
but yeah i do have the odd need for speed luckily for me i dont have a car atm i stick with my scooter it only goes 60k so i feel my license is alot safer with that but i do the odd sober driving for mates every now and then. il admit there are times where i do like to floor it but im alot more considerate of my surroundings than what i used to be
mcscottwgtn,
Dec 14, 9:14am
We need driver training. I dont agree with the need for newer safer cars. The cars the kids have now quite often have abs, stability control, and airbags. They are alot safer than the old british buckets I learnt to drive in. Crash testing was a swedes wet dream back then.
johnf_456,
Dec 14, 9:14am
Young drivers been able to afford newer safer cars, tui! Most young people work in the supermarket the diary, the warehouse, all on the minimum wage or a bit more. Who is going to pay for this, really! Might be a wise idea, but the cost and implementing this, is a new story all together.
When heck not not everyone likes to spend 20 or 40k what ever on a car that devalues faster than you can calculate it. Better put it into areas of driving improvement, getting people to save, home ownership also.
johnf_456,
Dec 14, 9:15am
Its great to see, someone has seen the light at the end of the tunnel. A lot do not and still be a moron at 30+
mcscottwgtn,
Dec 14, 9:17am
Skylines, wonder what the marketing target was!
mcscottwgtn,
Dec 14, 9:19am
Good to hear. Most humans probably get an upper from speed.
jono2912,
Dec 14, 9:23am
Ah, but you see, you haven't done your research yet again. We need to follow or at least have a look at what our European counterparts are doing. The government in Germany for one was giving out loans or allowances to students to help buy there first car. Now look at their road toll in comparison.
kazbanz,
Dec 14, 9:26am
So after that rant what are YOU doing to improve YOUR riding/driving skills!
johnf_456,
Dec 14, 9:26am
Yes I know I agree with you but I am talking about feasibility / cost. NZ is still borrowing millions everyday to keep this country going, we do not exactly have a booming economy like we use to. Please do share how we can afford it, its better to look into cheaper but better alternatives. So lets hear them people.
johnf_456,
Dec 14, 9:32am
Very good point, book yourself into some driving training if you are that paranoid.
jono2912,
Dec 14, 9:34am
I do agree with him, I training over here is quite dismal in comparison to other countries. I believe we're not learning to drive as such, but taught to pass the test.
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