I've owned a Volkswagen Golf R for a while now and love it.
My debacle really is that when I bought my Golf R I also looked at the Audi S3, but I was most interested in RS3 but was under the impression that car was a long way off at that point and now that it's coming sooner than expected my name has snuck it's way onto the list for the new Audi RS3, I like that car very much, however.
What I would like even more is the new Volkswagen Golf R400, sporting 309kW & 400+HP for a 0-100 sprint in 3.9 seconds very much appeals to an existing Golf R owner, but the same scenario again, under the impression the R400 is a long way off yet despite VW confirming it is going into production.
If I bought the Audi RS3 is the Golf R400 likely to come out soon after again.
These car companies like to play secret squirrels with such privileged information. Frustrating.
intrade,
May 20, 8:59am
my question is where are you going to drive it when 101kph is already speeding in this moron country? You would want to live in germany with a car like this.
lazzo,
May 20, 9:23am
Owning a car like this is not about speeding, yes it's a fast car but it's not about having the ability to speed, every car on the road can do over 100kph.
Performance is just one attribute owners like myself look at when purchasing these cars.
A beautiful car like this is one of my treats for the hard work I do.
I didn't think I would need to justify this.
mm12345,
May 20, 10:06am
Well you don't need to be "speeding" per se to get yourself in to a very big pile of crap in a powerful vehicle, traction control/ESC etc notwithstanding. But combined with pleasure of driving, there's no doubt that most buyers also consider that snob value, wall-p1ssing, perceived pen1s-extension benefit are very important factor in the purchase decision. If you deny this, you're either a saint or a liar - fortunately the world isn't full of saints - or it would be a very boring place indeed. Buy what you want - no need to "justify it". Apart from the obvious "don't kill yourself - or anybody else" advice which unfortunately isn't always heeded, the only thing I'd add is that if you're out to impress passengers in any car capable of sub 4 second 0-100 sprints, then once is enough and on a very straight clear bit of road in perfect conditions, or confine it to the track. Scaring the sh1t out of your friends/pasengers repeatedly isn't a cool thing to do - inconsiderate and childish at best.
richardmayes,
May 20, 11:06am
I think the answer is contained in your question. You obviously want the Golf 400R.
gman35,
May 20, 11:12am
I am in no similar position myself to have to consider such a situation sadly , but it would be handy for potential customers like yourself for manufacturers to give approx. on sale dates for their "special project" cars. Sadly this forum is of little use to you as I see 1) most will be just jealous and give spiteful comments 2) they will not have heard of this "Audi" brand you speak of, because 3) it is not the latest Hilux/Ranger/Colorado UTE that is about to be released which would result in 100's of heated posts . Regarding discussion on interesting newish vehicles , this place is just "Ute" or "How do I fix my old diesel" central now !
serf407,
May 20, 11:36am
When you get the Audi turn the Golf R into a track day, targa tour car or competition car (targa, production racer, rally etc). When the R400 turns up compare it with the Audi to see what you turn into a competition car and what stays as a road car.
Personally (and as a driver of a R32) I would rather the golf anyway. Think theres like $30k difference between the current R and the RS3 and the VW appears to hold its value better. Presume therefore the 400R will come in at a similar price?
Reviews of the fast Audi's I've read of late haven't been that good, bagging the steering feel, lack of emotion etc whereas reviews of the golf have given it all sorts of ticks.
Always the BMW or AMG options also. There was a cheap AMG on here recently and I did have a quick think about it (despite previously saying Mercs were too showy for me).
lazzo,
May 20, 11:46am
The most honest answer here. Thank you for the support, it's clearly a pleasure for some to read something other than the "how to fix my piece of sh*t" thread.
One thing is certain and that is if we were all the same the world would be a very boring place.
Yes I understand some motor vehicles have status, and since most of us buy vehicles within our means it is always going to mean some people have cars with more status than others, yes the same can be said for the incomes of such owners.
I drive a Volkswagen Golf R, yes it's a very nice high end hatchback but hardly a status car.
Back to the guts of it, yes I am very keen on the Golf R400 but I'm thinking it might be too far off to hang onto my Mk7 Golf R until it arrives, which is why I've tentatively got my name on the list for the new Audi RS3, I'll be annoyed to all hell if I went ahead and bought the RS3 and then Volkswagen do the old "SURPRISE here's the R400" the same way Audi did with the RS3 when I bought the Golf R.
lazzo,
May 20, 11:50am
Yes, if Volkswagen open the books for the R400 anytime soon I will be 'speeding' in the Golf R to the nearest dealership to sign up for one.
I do not consider BMW's. Ever. And the Mercedes AMG has an image and style I don't like.
thejazzpianoma,
May 20, 12:26pm
Last I heard the R400 was most likely going to be released at the Frankfurt motor show in about 4 months with first orders to the public being late this year or early next year. Not sure when NZ will officially get it though.
Sorry if you already knew this from google, but thought it worth mentioning in case you didn't
tamarillo,
May 20, 1:53pm
Good on you, and sorry you have to put up with idiots and there jealous posts. You can and you want to, so you should. I think I read in UK Car mag that the R400 is confirmed but not due out till Frankfurt show later in year and then not sold till end year early 2016. Exactly as jazz called it in post above. Hope I have that right. There does seem to be a war on between the German makers and I see that Merc have an A45AMG S in the pipe line with 400hp to beat Audi/ VW. Have you looked at a tuning kit or even a simple chip on the R? It seems that the difFerences in output are easily met with an aftermarket chip from the likes of APR. I'm assuming you can get 98 octane! Personally, I like the idea of the R over the slightly pretentious RS3, but I've just got back from UK where Audi has a bit of a bad image now from Audi drivers being the ones who like tailgating! The R is considered the smart mans car, RS3 the show offs! They are so image conscious About their cars their I found it all highly entertaining.
tamarillo,
May 20, 1:55pm
Ps, poms were really excited about new small jag just released, once the R version is out that'll be a corker.
tigertim20,
May 20, 2:53pm
I cant stand the why buy a performance oriented vehicle if the limit is 100 posts.
If youve worked hard and earned your money, you can spend it on whatever you damn well please!
Problem with your conundrum is that with manufacturers always trying to one up each other, if you hold off and wait on the latter, then by the time it's arrival s close, someone else will have something really desirable in the pipeline, and youll be back to where you started!
sounds to me like the R400 is what you really want, but I guess only you know that for sure!
seadubya,
May 20, 3:00pm
All of these special edition top of the line models mentioned generally hold their value well and become sought after by collectors, between the two, R400 for me, a desirable collector car in the making.
msigg,
May 20, 3:14pm
Yea you are right there lazzo, when some say they want a 4x4 everyone says what do you need it for etc, when they want a 4x4. Too many big heads here with ego's, I am right attitude.
marmar1,
May 20, 3:53pm
Whatever car you get there are plenty of places to try her out.
poppy62,
May 20, 4:42pm
Dear James, I've witnessed many exotic and "Showy" cars driven by you, but I'm at a loss trying to remember in which Flick you drove a VW Golf. Regards. Oddjob.
lazzo,
May 20, 7:24pm
Audi are putting pressure on to secure the RS3 with a deposit, "those first cars through are being secured now by people putting down deposits" but the R400 has stopped me doing that just yet, I think I would rather forgo the first of the RS3's to buy myself more time for a pending R400. But the manufacturers are so coy on specifics.
Volkswagen need to step forward and say "this is where we're at" to avoid losing their Golf R following to another manufacturer. Or do you think Volkswagen feel their owners are unlikely to jump out of their Mk7 R's prior to the arrival of the R400 therefore they are choosing to stay quiet on more specific details to keep other manufacturers in the dark?
tamarillo,
May 20, 8:22pm
Good questions! they certainly do play games what with their leaks and magazines saying that their 'source from inside' has told them such and such. It actually annoys me that we are supposed to believe it all! Goodness knows what goes through their heads but I guess they ate thinking that they don't want current sales of the R to slow so don't want to be too vocal, yet admit the 400 will be shown at Frankfurt just to keep folk like you enticed. My brother was getting quotes for a lease car and Volvo failed to tell him the new engines would be available within weeks! Luckily he didn't order and when he went back to update quote had to ask for info about when the new engine was available. Dealer didn't offer anything yet its arrival is all over the press. They had ones with old engines they wanted to shift before having to discount them I guess. He wasn't impressed.
Where? Can't see any above your post, can't see any after either.
lazzo,
May 21, 7:40am
It's ok. I understand many on this forum are going to be a little out of touch when it comes to the emoticon, process and reasoning when it comes to buying a new $100K European car, but what many do have is great advice when it comes to motoring advice, I don't expect too many people here to have the same real time experience as I'm having but some here have great knowledge acquired from extensive research.
I work hard, real hard, and I deserve the motor cars I buy. I would never let anyone tell me how to spend my money when they haven't earnt my money. I'm not looking for advice on whether the car is the right car to buy or not, most people here couldn't give that advice on account of not having driven one let alone owned one or be in the market for one.
But what the people here do is watch endless amounts of video, read endless amounts of reviews and online data about cars, and that is where some people here are brilliant.
There will always be the haters and the ones who think it's not justifiable.
If I have an annual income over $200,000 and buy a $100,000 car how is that any different to having a $50,000 annual income and buying a $25,000 car? And before you say it "but that's half your income on a car". It doesn't really work like that given you usually build up a better and better car as life goes on, so if I spent $75,000 on the previous car and that's worth $55,000 now then I'm only spending $45,000 to change and that's the same as Joe Anybody on $50,000 spending $11,000 to change.
I lost track of the figures about 1/2 way through that paragraph. If you have to go to that extent to justify buying the toy you want - to people you don't know in an internet forum - you probably shouldn't do it.
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