I was looking at the number of tiida's on here and how few there are for sale with milage high enough to have the inevitable transmission problems. vs the enormous number for sale with lower km.
Doing some basic math, looking at average/mean km, and assuming a transmission repair/replacement is most likely around the 120/130K mark. I think it's pretty safe to say that starting in about 3 years time we are going to see the begining of what will be a tsunami of tiida transmission replacements. It's going to build up and last a fair while too.
The other interesting thing is because they are being imported so old with such low km I think we will see the bulk of them assigned directly to the scrap heap as uneconomical to repair. Unless more business's get in to streamlining cheap transmission replacements, but even then I am not sure it will be an economical situation.
It's going to be a very interesting phenomenon to watch. Feel free to hold me to my word and remind me about this thread in 3-4 years time.
I have based my assumption on typical NZ average km, but with a high level of blue rinse uptake of Tiida's skewing the numbers I may be a year or two premature on the beginning of things.
As a silver lining, used replacement panels and engine parts ought to be cheap and easily available.
electromic,
Aug 3, 6:02pm
You might be correct Jazz, I can't disagree with you for two reasons. 1. I have not ever driven, serviced, or owned one of them. 2. What if you are correct? You seem to have invested more time and effort in to learning about them than anyone else on this message board. Has anyone seen a tiida with high km/s that has been serviced but not rebuilt?
apollo11,
Aug 3, 6:16pm
'a tsunami of tiida transmission replacements', a tsunami? How many thousands of these cars have been imported?
nice_lady,
Aug 3, 6:18pm
Hells bells. No way was I ever going to buy one anyway but if a new vehicle, (even a cheap one), needs such work at that number of Km's I'd be VERY unhappy !
henderson_guy,
Aug 3, 6:34pm
Given that the poster has an intense hatred of Japanese vehicles, and takes every chance to promote his Euro-trash, I would take any "facts" he presents with a very large grain of salt.
andy61,
Aug 3, 6:50pm
Jazz, hop on a plane to Chch, take a look around the paddocks full of rental cars(off season at the moment)parked up around the airport, other than the Rental Motorhomes, where are all the Euro cars you love? Even Lucy have bugger all Fiats left. There are literally hundreds of Tiidas rental cars , the car rental companies know the running costs of these cars, now why would they bring them in if they are so bad as you like to make out?
3tomany,
Aug 3, 6:56pm
He is right tida is crap and most older cvt nissans will give grief at some point. This could be the vast number of dodgy imports rather than an inherent problem with nissan. Lack of servicing i think is the problem with cvt. Service it and do not abuse it maybe you will avoid a costly repair. No way would i buy a second hand one without a warranty.
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 3, 8:37pm
Normally I would totally agree with you regarding cvt servicing and of course with the Nissan if you fail to service them they will fail even earlier. However, according to the specialist rebuilder and other sources, even with correct regular servicing 120-130k is about it for those transmissions.
The whole car is clearly not designed to last. It's supposed to be an ultra cheap disposable proposition with an intended servicable life of around 5 years (assuming typical NZ running).
Everything from the lack of rust proofing, through to cable management, suspension and of course the transmission points to that. Thing is, for their intended market that is probably perfectly fine. However to pay proper car money for a used one here with limited life left is obviously not a good idea.
It's a bit like buying a used paper cup for the same money as a china mug and expecting to get the same life out of them.
henderson_guy,
Aug 3, 10:09pm
The likes of Tiidas etc may not have the mechanical longevity of some others, however the price point reflects this. Admist the claims from one poster and his "friend", there's no mention of whether or not these alleged failed transmissions have been serviced on time with the appropriate fluid or not, what the actual failure is, and what is involved in the repair. I'm unlikely to ever own a Tiida. But if someone held a gun against my head, I'd sooner take my chances with a suspect transmission than the inevitable constant sensor failures on a regular basis with a common European vehicle.
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 3, 11:00pm
Except for the dozens of times I have mentioned this, including the very post above yours!
Come on man, how much more plain can I make it?
Also, the price does not reflect the short term viability of the car. You can often buy a 10 year newer Punto for what the dealers want for these Chinesium machines. If you don't prefer the Punto (and I can't see why a rational person wouldn't) there are plenty of other great options in the price range.
You have demonstrated exactly why people are buying these idiot machines. It's all on assumption without any critical/logical thinking. even when the data is spoon fed to them they just completely ignore it.
budgel,
Aug 3, 11:12pm
Why get so bothered by it Jazz? I like Euros, I also like some Jap and American vehicles. It is just like politics, there is no point in preaching to the already converted either way! Those who have closed minds will always have closed minds, it cuts both ways.
harry353,
Aug 3, 11:44pm
Jazz. It's maths not math here in Zealand.
henderson_guy,
Aug 3, 11:51pm
Your repeated hearsay does not constitute a fact. No matter how many times you say it, nor how many words you use.
elect70,
Aug 4, 12:18am
They are a disposable car anyway not meant to do major repairs on . Probably couldnt get trans parts anyway . One it goes its scrap .
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 4, 12:25am
I just get tired of seeing the vulnerable getting suckered in to these things. The tiida in particular seems to get foisted on to the elderly, first car buyers on a budget etc. So no harm in a little push back against the dealers who are pushing these things for a quick buck at the expense of the consumer. Also, they make a hang of a lot of waste for our beautiful country to deal with. Which is part of the reason Japan is so eager to get rid of them, recycling takes resources and they are not completely recyclable.
tgray,
Aug 4, 12:52am
Just let it go please.
cjohnw,
Aug 4, 1:45am
Where do you park your white horse?
john1623,
Aug 4, 1:54am
120km would probably see the elderly out.
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 4, 2:13am
They are not buying them new though. More and more will be sold with higher and higher km.
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 4, 2:23am
You know you don't have to read my posts/threads aye?
bjmh,
Aug 4, 2:29am
Jazz . nothing to do with tiida. but I was working on a mitzi colt. the pussie little people mover. I needed some inner rack ends. the dismantler said no rack ends. but you can have a complete electric steering box for $120. when I questioned how they can sell that cheap . he said we have acres of these cars and need to get rid of them.Alas we are rapidly becoming the throwaway society.
bwg11,
Aug 4, 2:36am
The punters that I feel sorry for are those who have no mechanical skills or knowledge and come to this MB for advice and get set upon by the euro fan boys and end up buying some thing which while driving nicely, will keep them poor.
As I've said before, absolutely nothing wrong with a new euro, I'd have a Q7 If the depreciation wasn't so horrific, but advising people on limited budgets to buy euros over 12 years old is very bad advice - they would be much served by a Tiida
tgray,
Aug 4, 3:33am
Just in case someone is reading this and has not read the 'other thread', I sell lots of Tiidas over many years and have found them to be a very reliable CVT transmission. As a dealer I have had zero comebacks. Lots of mine go to a rental company, who I keep in touch with and they have had no problems either. I purposely seek out these cars to sell, due to their reliability. The transmissions I do not trust are most Euro cars and due to multiple bad experiences with them, I made a decision some years ago I would not touch them any more. If someone wants to rubbish my personal and first hand opinion go ahead, but I tell you what, I have bought, sold, owned and driven dozens and dozens of them and have never come across one with a bad transmission. I respect others right to disagree, and expect the same courtesy please!
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 4, 4:20am
You are missing the point. A 12 year old Tiida costs as much as a 3 year old NZ New Punto. The Punto is a MUCH better reliability prospect. Anyone who can put biases aside and actually look at the nuts and bolts of both cars will conclude the same.
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 4, 4:28am
I actually fired some emails off to rental companies after you mentioned this last time. Their response was unanimously they don't last very long at all for them, but nothing does so they don't care.
The reason you are not having comebacks is the same reason the tsunami hasn't started yet. They can be bought for next to nothing in Japan with very low km. Low enough to get them well out of your CGA coverage before you have problems. Give it a few years though.
This is not just my opinion remember, it's that of the specialist repairer who only does these transmissions, it's the subject of multiple class action suits. Even Nissan has publically reprimanded their own subsidiary who makes these transmissions because the whole debacle has already pushed the parent company into making losses.
That's surely enough proof for a logical person?
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