EV Discount Scheme Starts 1 July

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nice_lady, Jun 21, 1:52am
Mid air battery change?
Wait. I know. They could fly above the clouds and recharge from solar power . You couldn't get greener than that. Quick, someone tell Saint Jacinda and her mates.

tygertung, Jun 21, 7:09am
You are trying to perpetrate a huge scam.

There is a scientific consensus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus_on_climate_change

tygertung, Jun 21, 7:13am
Yes, but some people don't live rural. Of course you are a special case, but others may not live rural, so your special case would not apply to them.

gblack, Jun 21, 5:49pm
Where do you get the "multi billion dollar project / ten years" from? Just made it up?

The project I linked to says:

"The project will increase capacity on lines between the Otago-Southland region and the Waitaki Valley to allow additional electricity capacity to flow northwards and improve power supply into the Otago-Southland region during periods of low generation"

What do you think 'electricity capacity to flow northward' means? The project was fast tracked after threats to close Tiwai, as regardless of EVs, pointless to have 600MW of generation sitting in Southland that can't be used further north

3tomany, Jun 21, 7:43pm
To get the power north a massive upgrade is required. It is projected to take 5-8 years after it starts to complete the work. They are talking 500m for the south island and about i think 600m for the north island. However these are only estimates as the project is not yet approved.
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National grid operator Transpower estimates it would take "three summers" and cost $110m to build the transmission infrastructure that would be needed to ensure the power freed-up from the Manapōuri hydro scheme could be delivered to customers across the South Island.

It estimates it would take five to eight years and another $450m to fully "re-balance" the grid so the surplus power could be efficiently distributed across the whole country. Quoted from this long article.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/117012855/rio-tinto-turns-up-the-heat-over-aluminium-smelter

keytag, Jun 22, 2:36am
I'm just looking for an accurate figure of new light vehicles into NZ for the last couple of years. Best I can find is from 2018

"The latest data from Statistics New Zealand showed. there were 161,519 new vehicles registered in the year, up 1 per cent or 1,648 units versus 2017'

But does anyone have an updated figure, all light vehicles, new and used for say 2019-2020.

harm_less, Jun 22, 3:03am

keytag, Jun 22, 4:02am
Thanks.
Light Passenger 2020 = 200,000
Light Commercial 2020 = 42,000

NZ has 4.1 million registered light vehicles, 93% (3.81 million) are light passenger vehicles.

So if it was mandated that all light passengers must now be EV, it would take 15-20 years to replace the 3.8 million fleet.

And that excludes light commercial.

Given that people may instead just hold onto their existing ICE vehicles until it is absolutely necessary to replace them, (or be taxed out of existence) then this time frame is likely longer.

It will ultimately have an affect on vehicle servicing but most mechanics will have 10-15-20 years to re-train.

s_nz, Jun 22, 7:04am
I wouldn't be too concerned about the mechanics:

1. As above any ICE phase out is going to take decades.
2. EV's arn't maintenance free. Still will need mechanics to work on brakes, suspension, reduction gear oil changes etc.
3. Our vehicle fleet continues to grow in size.
4. As above the change to EV's won't fit some peoples applications / tastes, and they may well hold onto and maintain older vehicles better than they would have otherwise.
5. There is a shortage of mechanics. It appears on immigraion skills shortage lists, with Diesel Motor mechanic (talking heavy vehicles) being on the long term shortage list.
6. Motor Mechanics skill are likely readily transferable into sectors like industrial machine maintenance and repair, an area where there is also a shortage.

bill1451, Jun 22, 8:03am
Well actually as I understand it there is a standard 3 pin version and a heavy duty power cord with a heavy duty cable/plug and socket to your swithchboard for faster charging (higher amperage outlet)

bill1451, Jun 22, 8:10am
Dont PATRONISE me tygertung I,ve been around too long for that,many people choose to live in cities and fewer live in rural or small towns where riding a bike on 100kph roads is just plain stupid, I aM NOT A SPECIAL case there are thousands of people in rural situations in case you havent ventured beyond the city boundaries to actually look.In any case we are all special cases as my situation is not the same as yours or anyone elses for that matter but this government has taken a rubber stamp to our foreheads and applied a blanket mentality.(I never voted for her and never will)

tygertung, Jun 22, 8:17am
The majority of the population do not live in rural or small towns, otherwise they would not be rural or small towns anymore.

The situation of people living in rural or small towns does not apply to people living in urban environments, therefore people living in urban environments do not have the same requirements as people who live rurally.

Different solutions can be applied to each case.

People who live rural could ride a motorbike to get to the shops, whereas it might be easier to just pushbike down to the shops if you live in an urban environment.

bill1451, Jun 22, 8:19am
Watch "top gear" on U tube they do a mobile refuelling station, this could be interesting doing a middair battery swap, mind you with this lot(govt) they would probably say it is possible.

bill1451, Jun 22, 8:26am
My point exactly different situations need different solutions there is no one size fits all.At present the greater of our running
is 80-100kph for 20-60km but that could change if we downsize and move to a rural town.

tygertung, Jul 26, 8:55pm
Exactly, if you lived just down the roads from the shops, you might just bike down as it is easier and cheaper.

However if you were a long distance, a bicycle isn't going to be for you.

The real issue is the people clogging up the roads driving 200m from their house to the shops blocking the roads for people who really need to use them.