What are you going to do if ardern takes petrol away ?
framtech,
Jun 20, 6:28am
she couldn't if she wanted too, she's not that powerful, corporate world would pull in all her loans, kiwis would riot - it's not going to happen
houseofdad,
Jun 20, 6:42am
The government can do pretty much what they like ask landlords with rent freezes etc. A lot hinges on what happens in the UK, they fart and we follow. UK already has a dim view on fossil fuel which has been backed up by their harsh actions Our international lenders are not going to care if petrol is not sold in New Zealand. Latest rebate scheme is an exact copy of the UK's rebate scheme. No doubt fossil fuel will be non-existent far sooner than most think. The pressure to do so is so great re climate change.
tegretol,
Jun 20, 8:35am
The biggest scam ever perpetrated in the history of NZ.
bill-robinson,
Jun 20, 5:38pm
the future does not exist. only today and history exist.
tygertung,
Jun 20, 6:20pm
People need to stop going around trying to scam people that there is no climate change.
clawhammer,
Jun 20, 6:35pm
Yes, car dealers don't usually need much of an excuse to raise prices.
nice_lady,
Jun 20, 7:05pm
"Our Beech normally can carry 2 ton fuel for a service range of 1.5 hours"
No. The capacity of the B1900 from memory was 915 Litres per wing tank.
That's about 1500kg of JetA1 & yet your suggesting it would require about double that weight in batteries ? Good luck getting off the ground .
No doubt battery tech will improve but it's going to have to be fairly dramatic. And that won't happen short term.
I have however read recently the scientists have a method of converting jet exhaust back to fuel with close to 100% efficiency ! Now that's a potential game changer.
tygertung,
Jun 20, 7:36pm
But surely the output of the exhaust would be water and co2 mainly? Can't easily convert water into fuel.
It would also be interesting to compare the weight of a gas turbine with an electric motor too. The brushless DC motors seem to come out quite light.
tegretol,
Jun 20, 8:01pm
Another one sucked into the vortex of nonsense. Even our brightest scientists can't agree and the worlds best Climate University (UEA) has to invent the data to support it's clains.
That project has nothing to do with getting the power from the smelter North. That is $100m upgrade of the southland lines way overdue. Getting the power north is a multi billion dollar project that will take ten years to achieve.
nice_lady,
Jun 20, 8:13pm
I dunno, I'd say there's some truth in it that we as a species are indeed affecting the climate. But to what extent is the question. We are definitely polluting our planet big time and that's not good. I do get a little bit suspicious of all the money involved in this carbon trading. I can't figure that one. How does paying some money to someone make things better?
apollo11,
Jun 20, 8:20pm
The climate has always changed. No one is saying it doesn't.
tegretol,
Jun 20, 8:21pm
And if you think that EVs are the answer then look at this mess:
To convert exhaust gases back to fuel with 100% efficiency is going to need exactly the same energy input to the process as that taken out during the combustion process. Perpetual motion I think it is called, not much of that around.
Look at them they European shite! Not a whole line of leafs or teslas is it ?
nice_lady,
Jun 20, 10:21pm
Yeah. I think the article said 38% efficiency on the conversion. That fuel weight would be no doubt accurate I forgot the Aux tanks .
Still, of you were to add another 1000kg of batteries that's going to dramatically reduce the freight and passengers the plane can carry. And the engine weights is an unknown.
No doubt they'll work out out.
bill-robinson,
Jun 21, 1:11am
i spke with 2 guys out at ardmore who had a flying electric plane. lovely looking plane and they said it flew well with its 2 person load and did as they expected. only problem with commercialising it was the ability to meet requirements to reach an alternate airfield if the target airfield was out of commission. it could not hold enough fuel to do that.
bill1451,
Jun 21, 1:22am
YUp with you all the way there, and those of us that choose to live rural, are stuffed for even riding a bike, on a narrow 100kph road no thanks.
bill1451,
Jun 21, 1:23am
So just get a longer power cord/flex
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