But dont rush and buy a vw Diesel now there is a lot wrong with modern stuff just like on toyotas as well.
bill-robinson,
Jan 12, 8:18am
costs a hell of a lot to work out a cheat that is hard to find.
rovercitroen,
Jan 12, 8:51am
is that you Jazz?
apollo11,
Jan 12, 10:20am
It doesn't matter how much a company spends on R&D, when it is being run by the bean counters and PR department.
cjohnw,
Jan 12, 11:04am
Why would we believe anything VW says? Proven liars and cheats.
marte,
Jan 12, 1:25pm
That 'emissions cheating' was a bit blown up out of proportion. So what if there's a engine map that happens to detect a certain way of engine use and adapt to it. That's what engine mapping is all about. Real world engine use isn't going to be what a simulated test is anyway.
VAG has certainly tried out a lot of new ideas, and the customer and the company has had to pay for the bad ideas. But some are now adopted as standard. I just wish that they fixed the obvious stuff rather than keep making it that way. They don't seem to use the Deming cycle improvement idea like Toyota definitely has, to it's advantage. Though I like VAGs idea of 'keep everything the same' , though not the sort of plastics they use.
apollo11,
Jan 12, 1:33pm
And they were the ones that got caught.
mechnificent,
Jan 12, 2:01pm
I don't think the emission testing cheat was blown out of proportion. It was a cheat, and it was devised to get around emission testing.
mechnificent,
Jan 12, 2:06pm
And toyota is determined to have absolutely satisfied customers, that's why they are so popular. They are committed to customer satisfaction. Everyone engages in ongoing development and feedback to make improvements, but toyota really goes out looking for the feedback, and takes in on board.
apollo11,
Jan 12, 2:13pm
That's nice, dear.
intrade,
Jan 12, 2:29pm
the problem is engines are not made to meet knotheads emission rules . The last bullet proof engine was discontinued due to heat from emission crap. Emission rules maker do not consult manufacturer they make rules and JUST force everyone to comply if possible or Not.
cjohnw,
Jan 12, 2:34pm
And they made billions. Certainly wasn’t blown out of proportion, the fines and court cases prove that.
apollo11,
Jan 12, 2:37pm
If VW can make a car that can do 125km/l, then it's possible. But the bean counters and PR boffins probably didn't think it would sell. People want MOAR power!
bigfatmat1,
Jan 12, 3:00pm
Toyota recalled millions of vehicles but was accused of concealing information about the flawed pedals. In 2014, the company paid $1.2 billion to avoid prosecution for covering up information about problems with “unintended acceleration” that the FBI said Toyota “knew was deadly.” Yeah customer satisfaction. People died they lied
I wonder how that battery compares with all the storage of the EV fleet currently on the road in Aus. See aussies taking Teslas into the bush and having to spend a whole weekend recharging the car on a single phase plug to get enough range to get back to town.
mechnificent,
Jan 13, 1:42am
Accusations Matt. And being dedicated to satisfying your customers doesn't mean you can't have design failings, which all companies have from time to time. Whether it's deliberate design or not is another thing.
tygertung,
Jan 13, 1:52am
What is a real scam is plastic headlights. They always go a horrible yellow. What's wrong with glass?
bill-robinson,
Jan 13, 2:48am
but glass can cut you. like coke bottles, and beer bottles, cost saving and fashion decided headlight lens be plastic. alloy cans were the cost savings for drinks.
franc123,
Jan 13, 3:18am
Its heavy. Its breaks when hit with flying stones More of a hazard to anyone that might come into contact with it. More difficult to make into complex shapes.
ronaldo8,
Jan 13, 3:26am
Replaced a lens clu$ter lately? That horrible yellow is trivial to fix, 5 seconds on YouTube.
ronaldo8,
Jan 13, 3:31am
Bit more to it than that. Ease of packing, of handling, shipping and ease of recycling, safety at public venues
franc123,
Jan 13, 11:13am
VW has NEVER been an environmentally conscious outfit, you don't have to look too far back into modern history for proof of that. In the early 70's when Californias environmental legislators were wanting unleaded fuel and cat converters and other emission controls, and hissing at VW's 30yo aircooled peanut pusher that was still being used virtually unchanged and a smog producer par excellence, what did they do? They didnt can it, just pulled it off the US market and transferred production and sales to (not very) far away to Mexico. They still made it there up until the early 2000's when it was realised that Mexico city had developed one of the worst air pollution problems in the world and a huge amount of taxis and private cars were VW Beetles. Horrible coincidence?
apollo11,
Jan 13, 11:54am
Yeah it's hard not to feel jaded when presented with the sheer rapacious dishonesty of our corporate globalist overlords.
tygertung,
Jan 13, 2:51pm
Yes but the glass headlights are still going strong on older cars without somehow getting smashed. And really, the weight of a headlight isn't much compared with that of a car.
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