Individual insurance is not evil. It is the opposite. It is about taking responsibility and having suitable cover in the same way one insures ones' house. Not Socialism or like that at all. It is user pays. Of course the ins co gets money from it as a builder or mechanic would. The principle is responsibility and accountability two things that ACC destroys!
scuba,
Aug 15, 9:14pm
Great way for the state to pass on the responsibility to a business owning taxpayer who carries the can for someone elses failure to pay for their registration-Sounds like something the Green Party would dream up
scuba,
Aug 15, 9:22pm
you realize they do this already- and theres plenty of dungas out there for them to buy- anytime a business has a captive market the prices will rise to maximum they can squeeze then they raise it some more- petrol is a prime example.
bumfacingdown,
Aug 15, 9:31pm
Do they? Scrap cars for things like no Reg, WoF or any other offence, when did this last happen? "Crusher" Collins tried, I think one car got crushed and that was not for no Reg or WoF as far as I know
apollo11,
Aug 15, 10:02pm
Recalcitrant boy racers who were made an example of if I remember.
bumfacingdown,
Aug 15, 10:45pm
I think that should be "racer" not "racers" unless you have evidence of it happening regularly
Happy to have 91 dumped completely, on the proviso that the price of 95 be permanently lowered to that level. I'm fair sick of being unjustly screwed over for the premium fuels.
I no longer use it for this reason and all my vehicles run fine. I would rather use the higher octane, but not at these prices.
alowishes,
Aug 16, 6:46am
Yep, you have to have done three identical specific offenses in the same car before they can take your car and crush it.
serf407,
Aug 16, 8:41am
Chinese systems might be more accurate than the Japanese NEC system, and the Chinese system has a government database to use. Chinese facial recognition systems used to make payments and for dishing out toilet tickets.December 2019 https://youtu.be/CLo3e1Pak-Y Germany 2017 - facial photographs of speeding drivers sent to offending drivers. https://youtu.be/qw7N0MFnz9U
bill-robinson,
Aug 16, 9:20am
why not scrap all the tax, wof regs and make the driver responsible for the state of the vehicle and its operation have plates that are issued on new registration and owners resposible for notifying the govt on change of owner.
bumfacingdown,
Aug 16, 9:47am
WooHoo, that got rid of a lot of old dungas. I stand corrected, a whole three
franc123,
Aug 16, 9:52am
Yes I havent used 91 for several years now, everything runs better on 96 and it seems to have a better shelf life, which is important if you have hobby vehicles in semi regular use. Is there a big difference in price where you live? I dont think 8-9c/L is that much more to pay, you can offset this with supermarket vouchers etc. Its 98 that's the big rip off. There could well be changes to all of this soon if NZ switches to fully imported fuel.
franc123,
Aug 16, 9:58am
I think this has merits. Problem is the Govt is quite happy for garages and testing stations to take care of vehicle safety matters, doing away with period vehicle inspections would cause many of these to close PLUS there would have to be a nationwide task force set up in conjunction with NZTA to perform random roadside testing as the Police wont want to know about it. Then theres the question of who will staff it and what it would cost.
apollo11,
Aug 16, 10:10am
TBH I thought it was dozens crushed. All sizzle and no sausage. But I'm glad you accept that you were wrong lol.
bill-robinson,
Aug 16, 10:21am
franc123 wrote: I think this has merits. Problem is the Govt is quite happy for garages and testing stations to take care of vehicle safety matters, doing away with period vehicle inspections would cause many of these to close PLUS there would have to be a nationwide task force set up in conjunction with NZTA to perform random roadside testing as the Police wont want to know about it. Then theres the question of who will staff it and what it would cost.[/quote the police are responsible for road safety now, which is actually includes vehicle condition so why change it? I know, they would have to take some of their gear off and get their hands dirty, not very becoming for a police person, the soap, and towels, would need to be in a locked box to stop them being stolen.
bill-robinson,
Aug 16, 10:22am
all this from a woman that now wants to run the country. might need to consider leaving the country again.
apollo11,
Aug 16, 10:28am
The rest of the world is no better, if not a great deal worse. At least the fallout cloud will take longer to reach us down here, should it come to that.
franc123,
Aug 16, 10:32am
Sure that is the case but it's hardly high priority work as it stands. They wont want to know about it because none of their staff are trained properly in these matters. It's not like the old MoT days when many of the cops were ex mechanics and knew/had an interest in this stuff. Any roadside checks conducted by the Police would be very rudimentary and would involve a Quick Check of tyres, lights, wipers, bodywork and perhaps seatbelts, find more than one thing wrong and you get stickered. Even then, what's going to happen if you car fails a roadside check and gets stickered only to be subsequently passed at a testing station because an officer made an incorrect call on something? It could happen.
gazzat22,
Aug 16, 10:34am
Well it would keep unregistered cars off the roads .Have you got a better idea.Your logic is rather flawed and only those who flout or break the law would suffer.
gazzat22,
Aug 16, 11:31am
She (mrs?)would be a real conwoman.There are several Police in my street and she is looked upon as a to put it politely Joke. ! and not a funny one
framtech,
Aug 16, 12:13pm
Its the same old issue, The many pay for the few, the current systems are there to catch the little dickheads who drive shit cars and don't follow the rules, what we all don't want is more state intervention in our lives, every day the bureaucrats nibble away trying to control and clipping the ticket with the same end result, In time the old cars will die and the only issue is more powerful cars in the hands of gang prospects and the like screaming around in stolen cars and teens doing 140 plus kph with a space saver tire fitted, see it all the time. The only changes that need to happen are compulsory insurance, police targeting gangs relentlessly 24/7 and more random patrols after hours instead of picking on the law abiding who maybe doing 10 kph over the speed limit in a newish car.
headcat,
Aug 16, 12:52pm
Hey! "Compulsory private insurance"? You have a pretty garbled sense of what is socialist and what is not. Ultimate "user pays" lets people opt out as many do with third part property insurance and household insurance. Compulsion is what you want and compulsion is what you got with ACC.
apollo11,
Aug 16, 1:15pm
Compulsory private insurance sounds just as socialist as compulsory public insurance to me. Instead of ACC fatcats spending up large on our account, we get to pay some wedge to insurance co. shareholders. And while it would be nice to think that there would be competition between insurance co.'s for customer share, I doubt it.
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