Your examples are way off the mark as far as a physical accident is concerned, they are Legal matters between the police & the insured.
flitt,
Feb 27, 7:31pm
biker69 - Perhaps your summary might have been better said:
'WoF testing is there for those people who don't maintain their cars and don't take an interest in its roadworthiness.'
Then again, maybe you meant that in the first place. The first time I read it, it seemed to me you meant'WoFs are for numptys who don't know how to maintain their motor vehicles, real men don't have WoFs'. lol
Maybe your opinion is that we should have a 3 monthly WoF inspection period. The only alternative to that is that every motorist becomes a home mechanic, which is obviously never going to happen.
So, is that what you do! Do you not have a WoF and stand there arguing with cops that you don't need one because you maintain your bike/car yourself!
wrong2,
Feb 27, 8:48pm
if im following this correctly :
your car runs out of wof , or rego , you drive it on the road & have an accident (not your fault) - insurance cannot refuse your claim !!!!
seperate case gets to court , you have had an accident , the other car was not legal (wof or rego) - the judge can still lay the blame against you !
^ both of those are correct !
wrong2,
Feb 27, 8:50pm
i thought not being legal instantly nullified your insurance
& it made you the guilty party by being in the space in a car that had no right to be there
flitt,
Feb 27, 10:03pm
Surely you agree that our 6 monthly WoF helps keep vehicles in a more roadworthy condition than what would be the case without the WoF system. Of course it is not a perfect arrangement, but it certainly helps keep us safe. Safety is the intended design of a WoF. Why would you want to fly in the face of something like that! I suppose that is what I meant by obstinate biker69. I just think that maybe you watched PointBreak a few more times than you should have.
lookoutas,
Feb 27, 10:53pm
This was ages ago, so forget all that other crap- I wonder what the result was!
im_andrew,
Feb 28, 12:27am
Nah that is what he meant.
flitt,
Feb 28, 12:59am
Thing is, in my opinion BS would be peaking after the introduction of the LTNZ Exception to WoF Clause. Can you imagine the trouble that would come with that! Sure, it suits you and I honestly believe you would be one of its very few success stories.
I laughed at the fireproof suit idea.
johnf_456,
Feb 28, 2:23am
Yup, you need to be good at out smarting them. If there is an excuse they will use it.
sian555,
Apr 26, 2:55am
are you automatically in the wrong!
My friend was driving and put his indicator on to turn left into his driveway. The people behind him attempted to pass him on the left and crashed into the side of his car writing it off. When the cops finally turned up, they spoke to the guys who hit him and they said he had his indicator on to turn right so the cops immediatly issued him with a ticket for dangeroud driving.
The car that hit Him has been deregistered since 2006. I would have thought that since they were driving a vehicle that is unsafe to be on the road (no wof no reg for 4+ years) they would be in the wrong. regardless of the indicator(friend knows he indicated left - this is an entirely different argument) . If they hadnt of been driving a vehicle they shouldnt have the accident wouldnt have happened iykwim
Am I right! Has anyone had any experience with a similar situation!
thejazzpianoma,
Apr 26, 3:01am
Firstly the cops had no right to be judge jury and executioner in this matter. Not without independant witness's at the very least. In these situations unless there was a fault with the car that directly contributed to the accident the deregistration would not be a factor other than as a factor in court possibly pointing out the character of the other party. My advice, find witness's if any and take it to court. DEFINATLY fight the dangerous driving that was typical poor policing.
sian555,
Apr 26, 3:06am
. yeah what happened was the car behind the car who crashed into my mate was full of their friends. and my mate was by himself. by the time the cops arrived they had had over 45 mins to work out what they were going to say (hence the bullshit "he indicated right" thing)
My mate is also "older" so I feel that the cops would have just decided then and their that it was the elderly drivers fault.
I have advised him not to pay the fine under any circumstances and we are going to speak to the police during the week.
aimz_bj,
Apr 26, 3:08am
To what I am aware of, if the car that hit you was insured they wouldnt pay out.For insurances, you have to keep the vehicle rego'd and warrented.If not, they will more then likely refuse to pay out.Also the same if the driver had no license or wasnt on the policy to drive and caused a accident - that happened to me when my boyfriend crashed my R32 GTST Skyline.High performance car and he wasnt on my drivers list so they didnt pay out for the accident.
I hope your friend can get it all sorted out.Its something that they need to discuss with their insurance company when they make the claim against the other driver.I would also lodge a complaint with the police against the fine that they were issued.
coolnzmum,
Apr 26, 3:09am
How far from his driveway was he, how fast is it possible for him to be driving to be able to turn into his driveway i.e if he would have to slow right down to be able to turn into his driveway they should be able to determine if he was going to fast which would contribute to the dangerous driving charge.Did the cop check to see which of his indicators was on.
aimz_bj,
Apr 26, 3:09am
Sorry did the other car happen to get green stickered and towed away!Hopefully the driver also got given a fine.
sian555,
Apr 26, 3:10am
My friend has insurance. The other party do not. the way things are at the moment is that the police have said my frined was in the wrong. and we dont believe that he was. He has lived in that house for 15 years. im pretty sure he would have known to indicate LEFT lol
I feel yucky for him as being of the "older" generation i dont think the police have given him a very fair go iykwim.
sian555,
Apr 26, 3:11am
NO not at all. They got a fine for not displaying a wof of reg (no label in the holder) but as far as i am aware it wasnt picked up that it was de registered.
coolnzmum,
Apr 26, 3:12am
Was his car towed away or was he able to drive it away.
sian555,
Apr 26, 3:13am
nope.from what i can gather the "interviewing" was very one sided. The police didnt take any photos or anything (luckily my frined sdid)
sian555,
Apr 26, 3:14am
my friends car is now at the panel beaters but we suspect its going to be written off. The car that hit him was a 1975 kingswood and the damage was minimal
coolnzmum,
Apr 26, 3:15am
Ok so it got towed or taken on a transporter to panel beater
sian555,
Apr 26, 3:17am
yeah. dont think its going to be fixable though
cherilyn007,
Apr 26, 3:19am
get on2 lawyers and get them to tell u. the other car SHOULD be deemed as being in the wrong as it was not road legal and its the old, if a car hits u from behind its at fault. following too close good luck to your mate
coolnzmum,
Apr 26, 3:21am
A long shot but maybe you can ask the police to contact the panel beaters to see if they can determine which indicator was on at the time of the crash.I suggest asking the police to inquiry so they can't say anyone tampered with the indicators.
gbbrot,
Apr 26, 3:21am
For your information, the police do NOT act as judge and jury when they issue a ticket. Looked at logically, they act as friends of the court and the public and prosecute the person with an offence. That offence is judged by a court! The police have a duty to prosecute anyone committing an offence, regardless of who they are, or what part they played when an accident occurs. This has to be balanced by if they judge the prosecution will succeed (there is no point in flogging a dead horse).
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