Apart from the fact that those ppl would probably run anyway, I had already agreed that crushing wouldn't work fairly in most cases. maybe thats part of the reason it's not done much Respect has to be earned, goes both ways yes, but the police have been getting hammered for many years WAY before anything that you have mentioned. They have also been tied up inPC tape for far too many years. Whens the last time you knew of a cheeky teenager with a hot car being PC about what he's doing illegally
r15,
Jul 3, 6:47am
Insurance is a great idea though. Would be even better if you could insure a driver rather than a car though so that it makes no difference if your arguing your own car or your mums car or your mate's car
mrfxit,
Jul 3, 6:52am
ARRHHHHHHH . BOLLOCKS . They simply NEED to learn to LOOK & judge correctly . If your suggestion held any real world meaning, then I would have been having a hell of a lot of intersection accidents over the last 3 years. 1988 2.4 DIESEL 5 speed Hilux.
IF you know ANYTHING meaningfull about diesels such as this Hilux Surf, then you would instantly know what I am talking about in terms of performance.
berg,
Jul 3, 6:52am
You are onto it. But lets take it a few steps further. In England, no rego or insurance, the car is impounded and crushed/sold if rego or insurance is not obtained within a set time. Restricting the engine size or power will not really work as poor driving decisions will kill people in a 660cc Mira just as fast as they will in an Evo. Yes I agree L and R drivers should not be allowed Turbos etc but only because they tend to attract the "I must show off to my mates" attitude. By making compulsary insurance you will restrict the ability for idiots to obtain hi performance cars as nobody will insure them. The bike restrictions showed reducing engine size doesn't work. My current 750cc bike is a calmer, easier to ride bike than the road legal, racer 250cc bike I had as a learner. This has now been realised and is currently being addressed by government
r15,
Jul 3, 6:55am
There is always a small group of dickhead 'boy racers 'to the other 95% that get tarred with the same brush. No blanket rule will ever work.
For example a young guy on his restricted is into motocross. How is he going to get safely around the country towing a trailer behind an automatic 1300cc ford laser. Next people will be bitching about young drivers going 40kph up hills on the open road
mrfxit,
Jul 3, 7:01am
Agreed 3rd party insurence needs to be tied to the driver without being tied to any perticular car. But hang on a minute . thats what 3rd party is already
r15,
Jul 3, 7:02am
lucky ive personally owned a few diesels, heres the list 1990 corolla 1.8 diesel auto 1994 corolla 2.0 diesel auto 1994 caldina 2.0 diesel auto, then converted to manual (still slow as lol) 1992 estima 2.2 diesel turbo auto 1993 estima 2.2 diesel turbo auto 1990 hiace 2.8 diesel auto 1995 liteace 2.2 diesel turbo auto 2006 hiace 2.5 diesel turbo manual 1998 surf 3.0 diesel turbo manual.
yeah, i reckon i've got a fair idea what im talking about. but i have judgement. however im not 15. and the only way to get good judgement is experience.
my first car was a 1500cc corolla, it was also the car i drove the fastest, it would go as fast as it could, wherever i went. then i crashed it and learnt my lesson
mrfxit,
Jul 3, 7:06am
If you haven't been allowed to drive anything faster, you automatically learn to drive within your vehicles performance levels
Bike size restrictions USED to work when 1st brought in. What HAS got out of hand is the performance levels noting that it's a SIZE limit & not a max size & max HP limit
mrfxit,
Jul 3, 7:08am
Cool . BUT. if the 1st car had been an Evo, what sort of speed would that crash likely to have been at AND the cost of everything involved.
clanky,
Jul 3, 7:12am
There are no engine size/Hp restrictions in the UK.but, insurance is mandatory and it's jail time for those without it, not just a weak 3-month ban. Theinsuranve companies (expert risk managers) determine the cost of this restriction. My first car after passing my full license cost twice as much to insure as it did to buy. Insurance also helps any injure persons from owning your ass for the rest of your life.
Also, I let a 23 year old have full charge of a 37000 Hp engine with twin turbochargers and 2.1 bars boost.but that's a different story.
mrfxit,
Jul 3, 7:12am
& he has no support /sponsor/familyteam to help him with transport By the way, where did he find enough money to buy & support a competition bike (of any level) in the 1st place without a sponsor of some sort.
r15,
Jul 3, 7:13am
still the same 180k (limiter), except the car probably would've stayed where i was pointing it.my case is a real bad example for your arguement, but in most cases you're right
i agree with a limit, but i think a more reasonable limit, say 2000cc or 110 manufacturer claimed kw, and no turbo unless diesel
mrfxit,
Jul 3, 7:14am
Agreed, Plus no engine performance mods or swapping of engines outside of factory fitted for THAT chassis & reg plate
r15,
Jul 3, 7:16am
i was that guy. no sponsors. no helpers.hard work was where money came from. lucky i was allowed to drive a 2000cc petrol manual car to tow my trailer with.a good bike can be bought for under $4k,, MX is cheap in the scheme of motorsports
i-n-horz,
Jul 3, 10:26am
FFS! no wonder there's a mound 8 feet deep of cyclist at every intersection.c'mon man at least talk sense.
jason_247,
Jul 3, 10:31am
my bmw 740 has around 220kw and weighs 2200kg a civic that weighs 1200kg can have up to 120kw
so the bmw has less kw per kg yet storms up to 250kmh in under 30 seconds
limit engine sizes like aussie no forced induction no huge engines no rotories
net_oz,
Jul 3, 10:55am
Attitude. Once you change that then everything else falls into place.
pollymay,
Jul 3, 12:20pm
You've repeated what I've said! Engine restrictions don't work, everyone gives themselves a pat on the back but youths just land up buying up vtec integras and putting them in hedges. In fact the ones that have money in it are better like you said. Engine restrictionsdon't stop mazdas with no springs or 4 drunk yo bois which is usually what I see crashing. Compulsory insurance just pushes the price up out of reach of some people, some states for a young person it will be up to 1k a month if you are high risk $12,000 a year. Is that going to encourage or discourage the trouble makers!
Also england is full of car crime and is a nanny state so isn't the greatest of examples. It's also mostly small estates and such with no garages, here we own multiple cars a lot of the time so compulsory insurance and the likes is going to be hugely offputting. Also engine limits piss people like me off who were perfectly capable of taking their uncles V8 for a spin or whatever without getting too silly. Need to be harder on the type of dicks that always cause issues AND we desperately need better driving training so at least if they are going to be a fool and still control the car to some extent.
r15,
Jul 3, 4:25pm
are you going to try to convince me that cyclists arent commonly a major hazard to themselves!
wrong2,
Jul 3, 5:21pm
only for the insurance industry
wrong2,
Jul 3, 5:28pm
thats a load of rubbish
whats the accelleration time of the 660cc micra from 200 to 250 km/h !
do you really think 15 year olds should be allowed to drive any HP car possible ! the only current restriction on learner drivers is a MONEY restriction
mrfxit,
Jul 3, 5:38pm
True BUT it certainly goes a long way towards making the end result of crashing,less damaging.
mrfxit,
Jul 3, 5:50pm
FFS learn to read. IF cc AND hpalong with a total restriction of performance mods is introduced , then THAT will greatly reduce the total amount & volume of damage done.
Which will most likely cause the least damage . Crashing at 140kph within a 200 meter stretch Crashing at 60kph within the SAME 200meter stretch or road
Which is more likely to rapidly loose control & harder to stop once gone. A 1500cc 80kw vehicle (96 series) A 182kw Evo (1st gen 1992)
pollymay,
Jul 3, 6:17pm
I see less evos crash than integras 5000fold. Things that always crash are skylines more non turbo than turbo about proportional to the number on the road, old VL, VN, VP, VR era type commies but less the V8 ones and more manuals which covers the V6 mostly, civics and anything else vtec, rwd cefiro. Normally rwd and normally a manual are the 2 key things and not power although rwd manuals go hand in hand with sports cars that are normally turbo or the likes. That and the proud ability to have no driving skill.
They are not even high power. And for the record the 1500 is harder to bring back, hit a slick patch in a 1600 60hp auto ford laser once and it took so long to respond to throttle input I almost hit a roundabout before the ass end came back. Most young guys are such twits they just lock all 4 and sail off into oblivion. Besides if they are driving around with no rego/warrant and driving like loons anyway what does this law do to help!
mrfxit,
Jul 3, 6:54pm
it's the ability of the law to nail their collective backsides a bit more securely to the wall
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