Officer: Why were you going 60 in a 50! Partner: I wasn't. Officer: Yes you were, hence I pulled you up. Partner: I don't know what your talking about I wasn't, can I see the radar! Officer: Its not available, it wasn't used. Partner: So how do you know I was going 60 when I wasn't! Officer: You were, I caught you. we will just have to agree to disagree - writes out ticket.
. wtf! No proof he was doing it and told would have to agree to disagree! Is this right.
intrade,
Dec 29, 8:26am
take it to disputes tribunal . they will drop it 2 days befor the hearing or so. Kim.com is proof of how corrupt a police state this country is. What you have to do is write inn and tell em you wont pay a fine they threaten then with court and there likes. they cant make you i would say unless your dumb enough to pay or not write to them , i would register it and send a bill to them to pay for your time to write the letter plus sending it registered mail
intrade,
Dec 29, 8:26am
take it to disputes tribunal . they will drop it 2 days befor the hearing or so. Kim.com is proof of how corrupt a police state this country is. What you have to do is write inn and tell em you wont need to paya fine as you agreed to disagree. they threaten then with court and there likes. they cant make you i would say unless your dumb enough to pay or not write to them , i would register it and send a bill to them to pay for your time to write the letter plus sending it registered mail
mrsscubasteve,
Dec 29, 8:27am
^^^ we were absolutely gobsmacked with "agree to disagree, here's your ticket". how the heck does that work.
johnf_456,
Dec 29, 8:29am
If they are following you, they can use there vehicle speed as a measurement device. Especially given its a 4k tolerance, just pay up and take it as a lesson learned.
johnf_456,
Dec 29, 8:29am
If they are following you, they can use there vehicle speed as a measurement device. Especially given its a 4k tolerance, just pay up and take it as a lesson learned, doesn't like he was going anywhere near the posted speed limit.
mrsscubasteve,
Dec 29, 8:33am
He was coming towards us, not following and believe it or not my partner was not speeding.
intrade,
Dec 29, 8:38am
the problem is its a deception. the whole worldwide system operates on this frawd . if you pay then you agree to that the ticket you got issued was what you where doing. Its not easy to understand but basically it all works on conflict they go ahhh you did . and you say no way. thats not what to do you always have to keep neutral and write like that you would like to know why you should pay this . my naigbour has not paid any landrates since 5 years and there was this guy that made his own numberplates and registered the car to him self. the court dissmissed his case as you dont need to do nothing they only invite you to pay . read the ticket what does it say !
johnf_456,
Dec 29, 8:40am
If thats the case write in with an explanation its all you can do.
morrisman1,
Dec 29, 8:44am
if this is the case then you have a very good fight in court. They can ticket you from following you because their speedos are calibrated but in your case they are just guessing, and a 10 km/h difference is impossible to estimate by eye no matter how much 'experience' the cop tries to claim, 100km/h in a 50 then yea maybe but 60 in a 50 you cannot gauge by eye especially from a moving vehicle
The only part that you can take from intrades ramble is to write in disputing the officers version of the events, the rest is the most appaling drivel.
Do write in and contest, if they don't hear from you they can rightly assume that you agree with the ticket.
morrisman1,
Dec 29, 8:57am
I would not even write in an explanation to the cops, just write in and say you will be defending this in court, do this later on and not immediately - more on this later
Write everything down while you remember it: date, time, street, police officer description, what type of car they had, the ambient conditions, surroundings, width of the road. Absolutely everything!
Do not give the police any clues as to your intended defence, let it surprise them - this is key otherwise they will formulate their own defence.
The officer will likely not be able to defend himself confidently as he will not remember the incident, especially if you let it slide for a while, give him time to forget.
It is likely that in court you will only have to be factual and not all fancy legal stuff, it is pretty easy for anyone to see the failings in the police officer's actions.
Oh and PLEASE for the sake of standing up for what is right, go to the effort on this one and let common sense prevail and get that deserved black mark on this ego maniac's record.
intrade,
Dec 29, 9:04am
the letter you send if you do should be witnessed by the public place i forgot the name but they do it free. I spoke to them older guy and he reconed there service comes from the olden days of a cheriff public notary if i spelled it right.
johnf_456,
Dec 29, 9:06am
JP or citizens advice bureau!
mrsscubasteve,
Dec 29, 9:06am
Great suggestions, we will be following this up - the fine is small however we believe it to be a matter of principal. Especially for him to be coming up the other side of the railway tracks and a dip in the road I would find it extremely hard to judge speed so am surprised he can accurately sight it with no instrument assistance.
Ill be writing it all out tonight while its clear. we just cannot believe the attitude of the police officer that he believed he didn't need any kind of proof to ticket my partner or even explain how.
johnf_456,
Dec 29, 9:07am
Is this the thejazzpianoma!
mrsscubasteve,
Dec 29, 9:07am
As an affidavit!
intrade,
Dec 29, 9:07am
yup citizens advice bureau is the notary or what ever its spelled .
theram1,
Dec 29, 9:10am
What they said, tell them nothing until your day in court if that is what you want.
some extra this guy is a active free man on the land. he took the piss out of the cops and then the case was throwen out if you do something like him then you will need to know loads about what to say and what not.
austingtir,
Dec 29, 10:16am
That guy is my hero he's totally correct.It makes you wonder why are we needing all these half ass supposed laws that are coming into effect in the last 10- 15 years!We didnt need them before!
resolutionx,
Dec 29, 10:29am
Then he doesn't have a case. Bring up relative velocity and learn up on the physics of it. You cannot "judge" a speed relative to you if you are approaching head on accurately without radar!
Even if he was following you, his in car "reading" could be out by 10 or more Km per hour and still not an accurate or quantifiable reading!
Good luck so many dodgy lying scumbag revenue gatherers. So much for reducing the road toll it is up11 percent already.
johnf_456,
Dec 29, 10:33am
Police speedos are certified, so they can in fact legally be used as a speed measurement device!
resolutionx,
Dec 29, 10:39am
Again the unit may be calibrated but the measurement itself is not quantifiable due to relative velocity. How do you know if the cop car was gaining on you or not! You don't from the measurement from the dash.
Without the cop car attached to the vehicle in front (i.e. being towed by the offending vehicle) the dash measurement is utter rubbish and uncalibrated.
This is a scientific fact! I do calibration for a living and would challenge them in court with proper scientific facts not "my dash meter was calibrated".
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