Auckland to Tauranga should be 4 lanes with direction separation. It just a case of putting in a set number of kilometres to complete over 5 to 10 years. Not many people would want to drive behind a container truck all the way between Auckland and Tauranga. and back again.
Norwegians and their road tunnels - speed same inside the tunnel as outside. "Any driving in Norway is not complete without tunnels. There are thousands of them, and they are fascinating to those unfamiliar with them. The longest is 24 km, but 1–3 km is more common. Road E16 has no less than 60 tunnels, covering 15% of the entire road. E6 has 80 tunnels, E39 has 90 tunnels.
Tunnels are always lit with "street" lighting, but may be narrower than the regular roads. Driving out from a tunnel, over a bridge spanning a deep gorge, back into a tunnel, then down a 12% gradient is something to be remembered. Some tunnels, particularly underwater tunnels, are relatively steep. Tunnels are generally safe and Norwegian drivers keep the same speed in tunnels as in the open, the main challenge is adapting to the darker tunnel during bright sunshine. Temperatures inside tunnels are usually different than outside, causing ice taps to form on road surface and in ceiling; condense on car windows may also be a problem. Animals may seek shelter inside tunnels. Length of tunnel is indicated at the entrance and for the longer tunnels kilometers to exit is also indicated inside the tunnel. Each tunnel has a name and drivers should use the name to inform the police in case of emergency.
Note that overtaking in a tunnel is dangerous and forbidden in many tunnels."
ema1,
Oct 17, 10:11am
Numpty's here do it all the time according to a poster on here earlier but it's only a 2 km or thereabouts long tunnel for gods sake, if slowing to 80km/h over the space of that short distance is too much to ask then why the hell is it ! It's almost like they just don't know how to slow down for what say about 2-3 minutes max then what the hell is their problem, they all seem to have as I mentioned way earlier just 2 speeds up there . FAST AND FASTER. that's just plain nuts . fair and square. I'll bet in Norway their drivers are way more courteous than drivers are here too.
ema1,
Oct 17, 10:20am
Seemly so. thank god I don't have to contend with it, Queenstown is a bit like that in a miniature form, thank god I don't have to drive there all the time these days as well. There's a real go for the gap mentality there and white and yellow road markings mean SFA pity and tourists aren't the main offenders there either but they feature in a fair percentage none the less. Complacent locals are worst.
ema1,
Oct 17, 10:43am
By doing many long distance trips you'd remember where to slow down each time each time you repeatedly go through those towns goat, nah I'd suggest not. Memory problems eh . sounds like it?
ema1,
Oct 17, 10:47am
Please note I didn't say that you condone the speed limits being exceeded I said I suppose you condone. big difference in supposing and directly stating such right, but no you'll twist your way all to hell out of it like you usually do goat. ! Even if you never said anything about condoning per say your unfounded rhetoric against me and others certainly clearly inferred such ! Why don't you read clearly what was said before you accuse, I know what I read and it was clear enough for me to suppose ?
ema1,
Oct 17, 11:28am
It doesn't take an expert to say those caught by the tunnel speed camera's are numpty's, rip shit & bust mentality types. I don't profess to be an expert goat it's you that keeps saying that and you don't have to be an expert to see what shows on the TV1 News on the subject on the amount of fines thus far in such a short time to come to the conclusion that there are a lot of numpty's who either don't care or drive like loony's and can't/don't want to obey speed limits, those that get pinged I have no sympathy for 'serves them right" and I'm sticking to what I said in the subject and your countering efforts in "Nit Picking" were tantamount to condoning such and you came over all bitter and twisted at that suggestion. Directly saying you condone and saying I suppose you condone is a totally different thing but you inferred loud and clear in your baseless rhetoric as being just that condoning. You wouldn't know irrational if it hit you in the face goat. your RANTS that you accuse others of here are completely baseless and nit picky into the bargain. eg the useless post cut & pasted below.
And yet another thread about driver behaviour hijacked by irrational rants from our self appointed expert . lol
Edited by purplegoat at 7:16 pm, Mon 16 Oct
whqqsh,
Oct 17, 4:54pm
It may not be a 'blackspot' but any interruption would cause major problems considering the volume of flow through the tunnel. Im not keen on the 80 limit but theres plenty of signage & warnings for kms before the cameras & tunnel are reached. Also for those that make comments liked 'Why only 80 on a brand spanking new motorway with a short tunnel?' at 2.5kms its NZs longest tunnel. Im constantly amused by those that come on here & making silly statements & think everyone else believes their BS, sort of like politicians & their made up BS
purplegoat,
Oct 17, 5:37pm
Can’t figure that one out . more U turns than a lost taxi driver from that one If it’s not a U Turn it’s irrational rants . At least when u and I disagree we both know what we disagree about . lol
black-heart,
Oct 17, 6:40pm
If speeding causes accidents then why have there been no accidents?
esky-tastic,
Oct 17, 7:45pm
Or maybe they just want to contribute to the consolidated fund - how nice of them!
esky-tastic,
Oct 17, 7:48pm
I must have missed that part where somebody said 'speeding causes accidents'.
It DOES make for a bigger mess if there is a crash.
bashfulbro,
Oct 17, 7:51pm
I read somewhere that one woman has had 6 or so tickets, so far about $800, anyone fit to drive would have learnt after the first one, it goes to show, that some drivers are not fit to be behind the wheel, Good drivers, are ones that learn from their mistakes.
kazbanz,
Oct 17, 8:17pm
Hey just to clarify things a bit here guys. 1) this isn't some "little" tunnel we are talking about here but actually 2 tunnels 3.5km long and an accident in one of the tunnels has a huge potential for disaster. 2) the speed cameras aren't IN the tunnels but are actually about 1km from the EXIT to the tunnels. Ie NOT anywhere in the "danger zone" 3) there is a total of around 20 km of motorway affected by the enforced 80 km/h speed zone.
Im in total agreement that 80km IN the tunnels and even the 1km leading to the tunnels is a definite safety issue. I understand that during the 6 hours a day of "rush hour" you need an extended "slow zone" in order to prevent a massive bottleneck at the tunnels However I do not agree that a wide straight brand new motorway should be a 80km/h zone 24/7 when the speed signs are electronic and could be/should be 100km/h for the other 18 hours a day-except in the tunnels. That said--current law says its a 80km/h zone so they are indeed numptees for speeding.-the signs are very clear and bright.
ema1,
Oct 17, 10:24pm
The above post right here pretty much sums up what I have said all along, numpty's and those that don't care seem to feature for sure, but like bashfulbro says any driver with with any degree of common sense and respect would learn from their mistakes. those that don't can pay the price, frankly they shouldn't be allowed to drive full stop. THE RIP SHIT & BUST mentality is very apparent as the fine total figure over such a short time tends to show. It would be interesting to know how many of these said "numpty drivers are recidivist types who just WON'T learn from the bugger them all mentality, I suggest there will be some . possibly a surprising number actually. Is there any method of . get pinged by a camera more than a certain number of times. instant loss of license should make them learn it's not worth it. answer is that won't happen 100% ! Then there's folks who dispute speed limits are at fault, strewth is as simple as easing off the accelerator to comply is it not. I suggest with impatient numpty's it's not. serves them right for getting pinged. Speed camera's are not discriminatory, seems some folks think they should be going by their anti rhetoric. When the hell are folks going to learn that speed limits posted are there for a reason ( even if they may be ridiculous or otherwise in some folks minds.) There's always folks prepared to dispute anything that offends them somehow or indeed been the recipient of speed camera tickets, surely they should learn from those incidents which can be so easily avoided. Squealing after the event is a lame excuse really, it's the old story "You gets caught you pays the dues. " end of story. and serves them right. If folks can't learn from that then more fool them. plus if any one (one in particular can't agree) then they can be deemed to be condoning those numpty drivers getting the fines and somehow trying to exonerate them from blame. I have better things to do , and chewing the fat with stone brained nay sayer GOAT isn't one of them.
richardmayes,
Oct 17, 11:07pm
Never been there - but in the photo I see giant LED signs with the number 80 inside a circle.
If you check your road code that is the maximum speed you are allowed to drive.
Simply by keeping the speedo needle that is right in front of you at (or below) the number that is the same as the number shown on the sign, you can avoid getting any speeding fines!
esky-tastic,
Oct 17, 11:11pm
Works for me!
richardmayes,
Oct 17, 11:13pm
Apparently the operating costs of the tunnels is $16 million per year, so NO this won't even cover that, let alone pay for the construction!
Always worked for me, pity it doesn't for others, recidivists never learn even I wager after being banned from driving for a time. some do. but lots don't because they think they are a law unto themselves and do what they please, no one else matters. You get recidivism in many types of crime and as far as I'm concerned driving in a irresponsible manner and being fined accordingly is tantamount to crime right there, some inadvertently sure but wise folks do learn from their mistakes, then there's lots that don't . ever. Some folks take an extremely narrow view point on lots of things personally I take in the wider view which has worked well for me over a long span of time.
casualobserver,
Oct 17, 11:30pm
According to NZTA and the Police, there are four cameras inside the tunnel.
snoopy221,
Oct 17, 11:33pm
Just keeps on giving LOL
Ya KNOW if it was about SAFETY-and not just revenue gathering. With those numbers posted a law change and DEMERITS being issued by those cameras and the old adage of 100 points in 2 years and .
[But-ain't gunna happen is it?]
kazbanz,
Oct 18, 12:01am
You are bang on--The only speed cameras Ive seen have been OUTSIDE the tunnel --ie 1km from the tunnel exit.--but I don't speedin the tunnel.
ema1,
Oct 18, 12:56am
Quite possibly that's where those that get pinged assume there are only the ones outside the tunnel, I would never assume anything regarding speed restrictions . full stop ! Apparently there are plenty of signs etc there according to those who use the tunnel system frequently and some drivers obviously can't/wont see them, I wonder what else they aren't seeing while driving. I shudder to think ! Being observant ( seeing signs of any kind) would seem to be low priority on some folks degree of importance when they drive. it doesn't even register with some I venture to say. distracted or non observant drivers are accidents waiting to happen ! Plenty of idiots do that and you don't need tunnels to see/bag them either. but oh no they have major issues accepting the blame when a big % of cases their misdemeanors are absolutely clear cut. they are also "numpty's" thinking they're never in the wrong. that's displaying the height of arrogance and it's rife in NZ. IMO. you see it on here frequently. even on this thread !
ema1,
Oct 18, 1:16am
That's it in a nutshell kaz. if responsible folks can abide by the speed restrictions then why the hell can't everybody ? Frankly there's no argument but goat is trying his damn hardest to make it one from ill conceived fantasy based nit picking . for the sheer hell of it.
elect70,
Oct 18, 2:09am
Proves so many drivers not paying attention to their surroundings & dont see the cams , probably fiddling with the in car entertainment system or sat nav etc , this is the cause of most accidents not speeders doing 110 k
ema1,
Oct 18, 3:32am
Plus the large numbers still on cell phones . completely flouting that particular law, that has to draw attention away from the job at hand. they'd lose comms in a tunnel though I'd say but doesn't stop there use out in the open does it ! It's not speed per say but I'd hate to be involved in a smash in any tunnel. It's also not speed that kills always according to some but the mess can be greater, BUT there are speed restrictions/speed limits posted and they are there for a reason. full stop, I just don't get why lots of folks don't comprehend what that actually means, IMO they are the numpty, air head drivers among us. always has been in the past but the future where there are way more vehicles( plus numpty's) on our roads that haven't been developed at a satisfactory pace that are a major cause of problems that aren't going to go away any time soon ?
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