You really are far too much of a technophobe. Most EVs have charge scheduling capability or the charging units can do so.
Our Leaf is set to charge from midnight which it normally completes within a few hours. That's our fact not your fiction.
serf407,
Jun 14, 10:07pm
$85K How does one anticipate that one will be ripped off with the servicing fees, a $10K annual safety check or something?
Used Lithium batteries from NZ are sent to South Korea for re-processing. Look up Duesenfeld and the other European lithium battery recyclers for more details on the Lithium battery reprocessing procedures.
Broken down or crashed loaded stock trucks - happens with the diesels already. Load euthanised if not safely recoverable. Otherwise tow stopped truck to safe unloading position, back up empty truck an unload. Tri-drive Pete https://youtu.be/MDBTuKNQ_Lo Aussies subsidise petrol/ diesel utes and machinery (2021) https://youtu.be/MNgEWR-4uAg Aus - state and federal grant to assist the purchase of rural community solar/ grid battery (made in china) (2021) https://youtu.be/n4n1x2kv9Yk
kenw1,
Jun 14, 10:11pm
I think we all need to recognise that in 10 or 15 years there is another huge environmental disaster being manufactured, a huge number of these EV batteries are going to be past end of useful life. Who is going to recycle them? NIMBY springs to mind.
Surely the Govt such as it is, should be mandating the cars have an accredited environmentally safe assured scheme for dealing with these batteries.
It must not and cannot be put off on the promise of we will sort it out by then.
cattleshed,
Jun 14, 10:18pm
Approx. $6000 was the average price in 1985 for a new car which is approx. $19000 today.
harm_less,
Jun 14, 10:18pm
Used EV batteries contain all the elements required to manufacture more EV batteries without the side effects of mining. They will be a valuable resource once they are available in sufficient quantities to be economically viable to reclaim.
kazbanz,
Jun 14, 10:29pm
So stand alone hybrids which put zero extra strain on the national grid DON'T qualify. That's a great idea
cjohnw,
Jun 14, 10:32pm
Nothing at all logical about that statement. Our wall charger has a programmable timer and very rarely do we start the charge earlier than midnight. It has never been tripped and turned off - ever and the overnight charge is always completed a full charge. You really are the one living in your own dream world.
bill-robinson,
Jun 14, 10:40pm
add another 500,000 cars with the same setting.
harm_less,
Jun 14, 10:42pm
By the time there are that many EVs you should also add PV and battery storage being installed to a decent proportion of homes.
I think some people believe that the amount of electricity demanded by EV is way way bigger than it is.
To put it into perspective.
If all the cars in the country today were EV, the total electricty required to cover the total national kilometers driven in a year would be in the rough ball park of 1x Manapouri power station output, or 2x Benmore, or less than 1x the total currently consented but not yet built wind farms.
It is not a figure which is so massive as to be an insurmountable problem.
Most people charging at home use just a standard 10A plug in power connection overnight. how many would say "oh no the grid will collapse we can't possibly accommodate everybody plugging in a 2.4kW oil heater for 8 hours in the middle of the night!".
platotheturtle,
Jun 14, 11:07pm
I believe it will come here and also I think that annual licensing costs will be reflected in ICE engine size (didn't we used to do that?). Both of those measures will penalise those with old cars and large cars, especially those who enjoy American cars from past eras. Many cars older than about 2010 will fail on emission testing alone.
As I'm an old fart who owns a 999cc 2021 model car and only manages around 6,000km per year travel, investing in an EV is simply madness for me, as the extra cost is simply unrealistic, even with subsidies. I will be dead before I could even look like breaking even.
gazzat22,
Jun 14, 11:10pm
No reply so obviously Seymour Genter and all the Greens are still celebrating this Governments stupidity.Bring back Winston all is forgiven !
gazzat22,
Jun 14, 11:20pm
Define" Economically Viable" and who/how the minerals will be reclaimed.? Maybe a levy on all EV,s would be the answer like" User Pays" Probably the equipment/means for extracting the minerals would be polluting in itself.
bill-robinson,
Jun 14, 11:25pm
this govt is forcing us down a path that no other country is doing. the outcome i see is nz as the laughing stock of the world.
kcf,
Jun 14, 11:29pm
Nice, that might bring the Hyundai Kona nearer to being a real purchase for me in the future!
The perfectly logical case presented happens in real life and nothing on the consumers end will help. If the supply authority has shed load by switching residential non-24hr supply then you cannot stop it. And, as happens in many places during supply problems, the on time is only two hours or less, then "hot" water is warm and the EV's tank will not be full.
A few lines companies have started crying poor due to EV charging issues, expect it to be a clamour soon for hundreds of millions of taxpayer support to upgrade networks. I know some are saying they are EV ready, in the network design teams they know otherwise.
tygertung,
Jun 15, 1:27am
How did you find out?
alowishes,
Jun 15, 1:53am
It’s still a pretty damn big figure - and in the winter the present power usage can be big enough to cause concern to power suppliers and that’s before the potential power drain of (for example) up to 3,000,000 EVs being charged up each night.
And then there’s the issue of power outage from time to time due to natural events bringing down pylons/lines to consider.
bwg11,
Jun 15, 1:54am
I live in an affluent suburb, and there are quite a few EV's. Unfortunately, most are second or third vehicles, bought by people who don't need the rebate, and buy them to say, "Look how green and caring about the environment we are". Same people fly to the Gold Coast twice a year, but that is OK because Air NZ is "carbon neutral" because of purchased carbon credits. Same people would be better on a bike for their third vehicle
The term "Gas-Guzzlers" irritates too. Totally derogatory, being applied to essential larger work vehicles, like a 2 litre Ford Ranger or Mercedes Sprinter Van, for which there is no electric alternative, but while being very efficient for IC's they are labelled and taxed as Gas Guzzler's. Yes, I said TAXED, which is exactly what it is. A new tax which was promised would not happen this term.
kazbanz,
Jun 15, 2:06am
What is utterly infuriating me is the justification for being forced to import coal that run the "overflow" power stations. That is just insanity. Ohh its ONLY one extra coal fuelled station. Where do they think the power is going to come from in a few years time if we continue on this path? The answer usually is.--Ohh they will build more power stations! ARE THEY ? - Where are the RC applications? Where are the plans? where is even some intent to build stations. ? No what we will do instead is send manufacturing scuttling offshore never to return.
platotheturtle,
Jun 15, 2:08am
> Mercedes Sprinter Van, for which there is no electric alternative <
Not on my planet. Just some random figures from "Identicar" for 1985 models. VK Commodore $21,300 2.0 Telstar manual $20,480 Nissan Pulsar $18,250 Subaru 1 litre Justy $14495
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