Toyoda says there is too much hype for EVs.

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apollo11, Dec 28, 12:14am
Yes I'm talking displacement. Antarctica is also a land mass with ice on it. When all the ice on land slides into the sea, then the sea level rises. During the last ice age, northern Europe and Americas were under a kilometer of ice, so sea levels were more than 100 meters lower.

serf407, Dec 30, 4:43am
VW's R2 charging droid.

https://youtu.be/Fk_j1m7ck0c

alowishes, Dec 30, 5:01am
Only if clean ways to source the needed material for batteries is found. (Lithium?)

neell, Dec 30, 6:12am
Probably, but don't hold your breath for a quick change over. Lots of things yet to be to be invented/manufacturered befor it happens.

sw20, Dec 30, 6:16am
At least 20 years left IMO for everyday ICE cars. Trucks will still be diesel for much longer.

s_nz, Dec 30, 9:07am
Perhaps Toyota is more clever than I give them credit for.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Most-read-in-2020/Toyota-s-game-changing-solid-state-battery-en-route-for-2021-debut

I am cautions of when a production model car will arrive from a "prototype" being unveiled in 2021.

That said, if toyota do have a solid state battery say 2 years out from mass production, this would explain their behavior. Solid state batteries would be truly game changing, and would address many of the weaknesses of EV's today.

If they do have this up their sleeve, their current market strategy seems just about perfect. They are the market leader by far for non-plug in hybrids (with comparatively cheap battery packs), and the prius prime / rave 4 prime plug in hybrid, plus their hydrogen car keep the regulators at bay. All while avoiding investing to much in current tech battery production, which may be leapfrogged by their new tech.

sw20, Dec 30, 9:09pm
Yes, if we are talking 10-15 years before ICE cars are banned from being sold new in countries it's going to take 10 years after that before the ICE cars already on the road start becoming uneconomic to keep going. The ones that will remain will be enthusiast vehicles. More than likely taxed to high heaven as well.

Technology ain't there yet to replace diesel long haul trucks and I don't see any government improving rail here anytime soon. They can't even afford to upgrade infrastructure.

apollo11, Dec 30, 9:10pm
When the world is fighting over oil fields or destroying their water reserves with fracking, even lithium mining is better. But there are some promising technologies such as sodium ion which could be suitable for stationary storage at least.

bill-robinson, Dec 30, 9:38pm
how are they destroying the water reserves?

apollo11, Dec 30, 10:06pm

bill-robinson, Dec 31, 12:23am
do some thinking as to how to purify water. start of the water cycle will do.

alowishes, Dec 31, 12:28am
Lithium mining is ‘not as bad’ as peak demand is yet to happen, just wait awhile and see how it pans out.
And more electric vehicles = less demand for oil.

apollo11, Dec 31, 1:19am
Really Bill? People being poisoned by the water in their wells is OK with you.

apollo11, Dec 31, 1:25am
Yeah I think that's the point. Once lithium is mined, it is recyclable indefinitely. Fossil fueled cars consume most of their weight in fuel every year, for the life of the vehicle. And lithium is just one chemistry, there are other possibilities being researched.

apollo11, Dec 31, 3:12am
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2017/11/29/opinion/dont-be-fooled-attacks-lithium-battery
"Lithium wasn’t found to be a major environmental factor for electric car batteries, but copper, aluminum, cobalt and nickel used in the batteries have high impacts. Materials used to make other car components, for electric and internal combustion vehicles, also come with environmental impacts".

bill-robinson, Dec 31, 5:49am
you can get it tested if you doubt the quality or did you not know that was possible.

mechnificent, Dec 31, 5:54am
Ha. Ok. will testing take the contaminants out and how much is it per 1000 litre ?

mechnificent, Dec 31, 5:54am
I better get mine tested because it tastes like bird shit.

mechnificent, Dec 31, 5:57am
Wouldn't want to drink untested water.

apollo11, Dec 31, 6:05am
Well if you don't mind a bit of water contamination, then I guess you have no issue with lithium mining, bill. 95% of lithium extraction is through evaporation ponds, which waste a lot of water, and can also pollute ground water.

apollo11, Dec 31, 6:06am
It's probably got bird shit in it. Or are you on bore water?

mechnificent, Dec 31, 6:14am
Nah it's tank Apollo and I was just kidding. it sometimes tastes a bit like leaves and I throw a quarter cup of janola in there and it's sweet water again for a year or too. When the tank water gets a bit stale it gets turgid, sort of thick and not refreshing, you put the janola in and it goes "thin" and refreshing again. A nurse that lived on a yacht with tanks that got warm told me to do it. It works a treat. No bugs and sweet refreshing water.

Testing doesn't seem to make it any better at all though !

mechnificent, Dec 31, 6:17am
Not that dirty water worries me. I've slurped water up out of shallow little creeks in farmland and bush for years. A few germs are good for us.

Bugger the industrial contaminants though !

mechnificent, Dec 31, 6:24am
And before I'm corrected(by some smartarse). I should have said turbid.

mechnificent, Dec 31, 6:26am
Ooh. and "two".