Riiight. so you would own a Mitsubishi GDI over an older Mercedes Diesel (which are near on bulletproof)!
wasser61,
Dec 10, 4:02am
Was it NZ new or a second hand import! Just curious
roadkillcafe,
Dec 10, 4:08am
over-rated european lemon
vtecintegra,
Dec 10, 4:16am
Apparently the ECU is another fairly common failure on Mercedes diesels from that period.
Anyway I'd agree with the other posters - enjoy the car and stop worrying so much. At the end of the day any car might break down, there isn't any reason to suspect your transmission problems will reoccur
lugee,
Dec 10, 4:16am
They said in their first post.
thejazzpianoma,
Dec 10, 4:21am
My money says you have never even ridden in one let alone owned one.
kazbanz,
Dec 10, 2:05pm
Ok now assuming for a minute you HAVE made a mistake then you are at step 1) admitting it was YOU that made the mistake. Step 2) is about getting over it and moving on Exactly how you are going to move on is up to you. You fell in love with the car origonally so as Jazz saystake it away for a weekend and drive for a few hours. At the end of the weekend you might say Mehh what was the problem. If not then maybee you need to do some internet searching. See what the same model cars of the same age and milage are advertised for. -being a luxury car I'd take $3000 off of that to get to around what you should expectball park as a trade in.
studio1,
Dec 10, 2:16pm
Nothing wrong with diesels. I have had four of them in the past 20 years and not one of them has missed a beat. In fact I've had the best motoring out of diesels of all the vehicles I've owned - and maintenance isn't that much more than a petrol engine.
kazbanz,
Dec 10, 2:23pm
studio 1--Have you owned a late model diesel recently!--ie something currently no more than 6 years olsd! Don't worry I'm not having a snip at youjust that customers of mine who have purchased them have had endless issues with the diesel quality here in NZ--NOTHING wrong with the vehicles themselves just the diesel is still too crude
elect70,
Dec 10, 3:48pm
More a case of the auto repairer only doingenough to fix thetrans . probably should have hadfulloverhaul while out. Merctrans pretty good & merc deiselsbeen aroundbefore the japs even thought of putting them in cars . Service it regulary & will give many years of reliablemotoring .
kazbanz,
Dec 10, 4:06pm
MMMMahhh nahhh --I have a mental image of what happened. I'm betting that a component in the box failed and was the odvious issue. That was fixed and thecodes were cleared from the computer. A few days later a second minor issue retripped the codes -OR during the reassembily an item wasnt propperly clipped back in or into place
bmwnz,
Dec 10, 9:27pm
Actual LOL! :) Good one.
r15,
Dec 11, 1:29pm
when you got offered $20k less, did you tell that dealer all about your troubles!
if someone brought me a car and gave em a big sob story about its ongoing problems i'd be offering a rock bottom price so i know that even after fixing just about everything there would still be some money in it.
if you didnt tell them they either hate euro's / mercedes (nothing will get a low trade like a euro!) or you might want to try another yard - perhaps the one you started at. they would look real shit offering you 20k less after 3 months
unclejake,
Dec 11, 2:01pm
I get losing faith in something. I really do. but $20k buys a lot of taxi rides Boley, so perhaps keep driving it for a bit longer
Alternatively: take the Merc back to the dealer you bought it from and trade up.
kazbanz,
Dec 11, 2:35pm
Um ACTUALLY-- noone has asked the question- what milage -we assume it WAS NZ new and what was paid for it -- its always possible thatwhat was paid was well over the odds -OR they did the ol trade in two step--ie the trade in was worth $1000 but call it $5000
phillip.weston,
Dec 11, 3:39pm
Not wanting to start an argument but Mitsubishi had a diesel passenger car (was 4WD too) in 1934, 2 years before Mercedes released their first diesel in 1936.
hotrodtodd1,
Dec 11, 4:40pm
I have been thru all this before and theres a specific process for rejecting a car.
If the dealers fix up the fault, then its very unlikely that you have any grounds for rejection. And it reads like they did fix it for you. The issue now is that you dont have any confidence in the vehicle, and you fear that it may be unsafe.
Maybe the best option for you is to go back to the dealer and express your concerns and talk about options for trading it for another vehicle on their yard.
Despite the stories, most dealers are pretty good to deal with if you are reasonable with them. And they want return business too.
smac,
Dec 11, 4:52pm
What's the price of a 3yo 220 cDi! $40k! If you bought from a high-brow or franchise euro dealer, own for 3 months and put X k's on the clock, then take it to a no-brand used dealer for a trade with no discussion of what you are buying, then I'd say a $20k drop isn't unreasonable (or at least unexpected).
thejazzpianoma,
Dec 11, 5:05pm
But your customers have probably been buying rubbish Japanese diesels. I am not just rubbishing Japan here but simply because their Government regulated diesel cars off their own roads for a decade they have fallen way way behind in development. Their common rail diesels are really low budget "rush jobs" and haveaway to go before they are up to snuff.
Our diesel may or may not be sub-standard but those running VW and Fiat Diesels that I know are having faultless runs. Same cannot be said for the newer Toyota diesels. not even close.
kazbanz,
Dec 11, 5:12pm
Um actually Jazz--I was trying to be generic so as not to be having a crack at euro stuff. -It was TWO of my couriers. One who bought a NEW VW van that was always in the workshop.- after 6 months of endless mechanical woes he pulled the pin and bought a toyota. The other was supplied a merc van and the story was almost identical.
thejazzpianoma,
Dec 11, 5:16pm
So what exactly went wrong!
Also. when exactly did all this go down! This is important as our diesel requirements switched over to 10ppm less for sulpher in 2009 from memory.
kazbanz,
Dec 11, 5:31pm
How dis they get us down to 10ppm with the plants capabilities only being 50ppm ! It all happened in the last two years. it was all fuel related and all I know is the poor guys were allways in white rental "temp" vehicles
thejazzpianoma,
Dec 11, 5:38pm
As far as I am aware Marsden Point has been further upgraded to do the 10ppm fuel. The "future fuels" project of 7 or so years ago bought them down to 50ppm initially but was not supposed to stop there, further improvements were supposed to be made to do the 10ppm by 2009.
Also, I don't think Marsden point provides all our diesel, just most of it.
You may be right in that its a generic problem, if it really is fuel related and its say an injector problem then its going to be a Bosch issue and as Bosch make injectors for almost everyone there is no escaping it.
However, mostly the fuel related problems I have seen have been with older diesels with mechanical injector pumps.
Next time you talk to these people it would be good to find out exactly what went down. I for one am very interested.
vtecintegra,
Dec 11, 5:41pm
Couriers are probably a bad example anyway, they work their vehicles hard and often don't keep up on maintenance as well as they should.
I've heard horror stories from couriers about pretty much everything more modern than the previous shape n/a Hiace, mainly because any type of issue is a very big deal when the vehicle is your livelihood.
thejazzpianoma,
Dec 11, 5:49pm
You are quite right there. There is a subset of Posties/Couriers/Motorhomers that whinge and moan that the transmissions/clutches don't last in Euro vans. All it is is they can't drive properly and the Euro vans have so much torque that they can destroy the dual mass flywheels and clutches if people abuse them. Not the fault of the manufacturer at all.
Sure there are some manufacturers who's vans are so underpowered or use horrible agricultural clutches so can take such abuse. I for one am so very glad that the big Euro manufacturers don't pander to the small minority who can't drive and go this way.
Another problem is many courier runs don't allow for the diesel particulate filter automatic cleaning cycle to run properly. They ignore the warning light and then complain when their are problems like its the vans fault.
The irony is that treated right the Fiat/Mercedes/VW vans require only a fraction of the time off the road for servicing that the old Hiaces do and are capable of significantly higher milage before a rebuild. There have been original engine long haul courier Mercedes vans for sale on here with 1.2 and 1.5 million km's on the clock and they are still going well.
Thats why its so important to know exactly what has gone down before making generic statements (no offence intended Kaz).
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