No driveway, No garage, do we actually need roads?

brouser3, Sep 13, 2:12pm
And if we don't need roads, we won't want cars . not even electric ones.
kingfisher21, Sep 13, 2:28pm
How ya gonna get ya toilet paper with no roads?
poppy62, Sep 13, 2:42pm
Is that you James Shaw?
androth2, Sep 13, 2:46pm
Just use the advertising pamphlets and newspapers which come all the time, or use your electric scooter or bicycle to go shopping
mazalinas, Sep 13, 2:51pm
But how do you get a weeks worth of groceries home on a scooter or a bike?
gazzat22, Sep 13, 2:59pm
Do what a lot of Poms(Les Anglais) do Shop Daily or Countdown Internet shopping.
franc123, Sep 13, 3:07pm
Who needs toilet paper when you have a garden hose? You can rinse yourself off in the 6m2 the green party will allocate you to grow your lentils in.
s_nz, Sep 13, 3:15pm
Obviously some kind of public access to your property (or an easement which you can use to access your property) is critical, I think this is deemed a road, even if it can't fit cars down. Truly landlocked sections are very bad.



While rare, there are a decent number of houses with no vehicle access in NZ. Some have boat and or aircraft access. Others have a walk along a pedestrian access-way to a road where they leave a car parked or can call a taxi from etc.

In the large CBD's, apartments without vehicle access are fairly common. Many people live in these, generally amenities are in walking distance, but buses, trains, ferries, taxi's are readily available if they want to travel outside walking distance.

With regards to getting home, Asian style wheeled grocery Bags are becoming more common. Also CBD dwellers tend to shop more frequently than people in the suburbs.
s_nz, Sep 13, 3:18pm
There is a Garden hose ban in my location at the moment :(

That said, I spend a bit of time in an Asian country where hose style bidet's (with a mini spray nozzle on the end) are common. They are great.
franc123, Sep 13, 3:58pm
They should be more common in NZ, they're obviously an ecologically better solution than conventional toilets.
harm_less, Sep 13, 5:32pm
A garage and driveway are only required if you own a car. The future model of transport as a service using community available autonomous vehicles uses roads but when you're done with your ride it will go and find itself a contactless charger to use until its next 'customer' requires it.
brouser3, Sep 13, 6:03pm
tow a trailer - narrow gauge of course so that it will fit on the cycle lane
brouser3, Sep 13, 6:09pm
I know lots of people who use their garage for everything but the car to reside in. The 4th bedroom, wet weather drying space, kids rumpus room, dads man-cave, storage for out of season clothing, e-bike parking, storage for sporting equipment, etc etc.
brouser3, Sep 13, 6:13pm
One thing that you haven't thought of is a rental car facility in close proximity . for those who (god forbid) wish to take a road trip or vacation to a distant place not serviced by public transport.
elect70, Sep 14, 8:18am
Get a horse but it needs feeding even if not using it & shops havent got hitching rails anymore . Last pub isaw with them was old Provincial hotel in Uppere hutt in 1960 few farmers used to ride in late afternoonn for beers , horse knew the way home even if the rider was paraletic .
alowishes, Sep 14, 8:40am
Maybe because nowadays lots of people don’t value their car so much - it just a ‘thing’, a utensil like a microwave or washing machine.
They just buy it, use it and if it needs fixing get ‘somebody’ to fix it for them.

And when it gets old and decrepit? Buy another one.
morrisjvan, Sep 14, 3:22pm
Just because you haven't got a car,dosent mean you won't need a park. from time to time you will need a tradesman or delivery driver to come to your place and they need to park somewhere somewhere , with the current trend to remove off street parking as well , what are they going to do ? Do you expect your plumber to trolley your new cylinder from three blocks away ?
serf407, Sep 14, 6:13pm
I have seen trades people write about how far they have had to carry materials when AT etc have blocked off streets to existing inner city residences. Their response is to hit the resident with a big bill for the extra time.
Many modern building/ complex designs will likely have a 'service bay' for trades and other delivery/ rubbish recycling vehicles etc
rodeorunch, Sep 15, 1:34am
Is this how we want NZ to become?
A modern day coronation street.
gblack, Sep 15, 1:54am
This is a motoring forum, maybe take it over to somewhere the Greater Auckland Blog that had a good explanation on why dropping the old requirements to have garage & off street parking makes sense.

Nothing new; there are bunch of places around like Ponsonby that had workers cottages without off-street parking. 120+ years ago, horses and cars were very expensive to own & operate, so average worker in the city would walk, cycle or take the tram. Sounds familiar.

Not really political though; left wing greens might want to lower cost of housing, reduce sprawl and encourage public transport etc, but the rightwing like Act want to reduce red tape and building regulations like mandatory parking requirements, and less public money going into roads.

Ultimately people can choose. You can buy a lifestyle property with six car garage if that floats your boat, but many people would rather live downtown, walk/train to work and call Uber Eats or online supermarkets for groceries. Choice is a good thing in my book.
richardmayes, Nov 19, 6:55am
Take a trip to Wellington sometime. Parking your car (if you have one) on about a 30 degree slope on the street, then walking up 194 crooked, broken, steep and slippery concrete steps up to your house carrying your fortnightly groceries and an infant in your arms, is normal.

If you manage to find a spot to park your car in the same street as your house is situated on, that is a good day.

If you leave the house in the morning and your car hasn't been sideswiped by a bus, that is an even better day!

People actually pay a premium to live in the steep, hilly inner suburbs close to the city where this is the way of life. Young students, urban professionals and captains of industry alike. "Character building", I believe, is the term for it.

Meanwhile, you have an environment that is so cold and damp, that anything made of metal will be running with condensation non-stop for 9 months of the year if it's left outside. Anything that doesn't move will grow a layer of green moss and/or black mould on the shaded south side of it in a couple of weeks. When the wind blows you may dry out a little, before the salt spray that the wind brings with it starts to settle.

So YES, buying an older, cheaper car and running it into the ground, is normal in an environment like this.