Ford completely screwed this one up although my sisters Fiesta she owned from new has had the issues with powershit. Ford and the dealer have been great about it the whole way through and other than the annoyance of the trans behavior the car has never let her down or had a mechanical repair of any kind. I am always astonished at people who have issues getting ford to cooperate. I know of way more people who have been caught out with a dead Nissan CVT than those with a bad powershit.
intrade,
Jun 1, 10:02am
You want to be awear some manuals are also not exactly good like early 80s 90s ford escort i think it was mostly sold only in europe Also toyota don't exactly make good manual transmissions at all.
franc123,
Jun 1, 10:22am
LMAO stay in your bubble. Theres good reasons why the brand no longer exists, and its not just because of the primary reasons of the economics surrounding building cars in Australia, changing consumer tastes and of course GM's dumping of Opel. Holden was the most complained about brand in Australia, over the course of 60 years their market share went from 50% to 5%. What most Kiwi devotees to Holden don't know is the ACCC put their corporate head in a vice after years of unacceptable product failures, primarily from the stuff they imported, and told them to put 10 year warranties on their product or pull them off the market, that is why some model lines disappeared suddenly despite still being in production overseas, and new lines from previously unused sources introduced, whuch also didnt work for them. Guess what the easiest course of action was long term?
bwg11,
Jun 1, 10:24am
Interesting that there are two issues, I thought it was as simple as early dry clutches bad, later wet clutches good, and wasn't aware of the wee plastic bits failing. Are they common to both wet and dry clutch transmissions?
gazzat22,
Jun 1, 10:31am
AKA Found on Rubbish Dumps.
strobo,
Jun 1, 10:37am
Fcd On Race Days,
apollo11,
Jun 1, 10:39am
I've seen a lot of the '08 to '12 Mondeo diesel autos for sale with gearbox issues, milage usually around the 200k mark. So the wet clutch powershift still seems to be the weak point for those variants. They are written off at that point.
tygertung,
Jun 1, 10:47am
I haven't heard bad things about Toyota manual gearboxes, not like the Mazda GT-X Familia 4WD gearboxes which used to blow up super easily. The GT-R Familia gearboxes were stronger I am told.
cjohnw,
Jun 1, 11:01am
And that was basically the problem we had. Because my wife purchased the vehicle and it was registered in her name they flatly refused to talk to me about the issue at all. Instead they suggested to her that she did not know how to drive, did not understand how a gearbox worked and was imagining the problem. The vehicle was meant to shudder under idling etc, etc, etc. They were condescending, insulting and sexist ars**oles. When the lawyers got involved they changed somewhat and made her a reluctant and ridiculously low offer to trade the vehicle in - which we refused. Another dealer traded it knowing the issues and he told us he would “deal with Ford NZ”. Absolutely ruled out any future Ford purchases for us!
Which is why the most common manual gearbox upgrade swap for cars with a 4 speed box in classics - especially for racing - is a 5 speed Supra gearbox. Just saying.
franc123,
Jun 1, 1:46pm
Not a good reflection on them is it lol. Thanks for further confirming my argument. Might pay to get some first hand stories from dealer service dept staff before claiming that decades of trouble free Holden ownership are theoretically possible in the future.
socram,
Jun 1, 1:48pm
Funny that of all our friends whether with Fords, Holdens, Hondas, even an older Lexus etc, we are the only ones who haven't had any mechanical issues.
harm_less,
Jun 1, 2:06pm
Our VX Commodore SW was misbehaving a few years back so I took it to a transmission specialist on the advice of our local service garage. The comment from the specialist was a very pointed; 'WHEN was this trans last serviced?'. That was within a year or so of changing from the local Holden dealership who had stated that they had done so during the regular scheduled services. It is very unlikely they had actually done so despite charging us for this. The trans failed a year or so after and was replaced with a 2nd hand unit (into a 20 year old car).
The accusations by Ford about services having been done by other that the franchisee in last night's Fair Go definitely raised a smile with me considering the reliability of service we received from just such a workshop.
likit,
Jun 1, 2:52pm
You obviously didn’t read the articles. Lol
3tomany,
Jun 1, 7:42pm
Toyota Hilux detunes about 30% of the engines power because Toyota do not make a manual that can handle 500nm. Toyota appear to make a good CVT though.
3tomany,
Jun 1, 7:43pm
Those were the old days.
tygertung,
Jun 1, 7:47pm
But people seem to repower them with V8 and they seem to handle it.
redhead18,
Jun 1, 7:51pm
L M A O. Sheesh go back to those ! Good ole dayzz!
And well even the top of the line ota 5 speed is gunna BREAK. As to FORD and the ole C4. LOL
Dare we bring in old school Holden autos?
Horsepower breaks em-ESPECIALLY the associated TOURQUE with a real bent Henry or a 327. LOL
Edit to add and just how many PLASITC servo release valves have ya all replaced in Traumatics?
lk104,
Jun 2, 10:52am
BS as usual!
nzoomed,
Jun 2, 11:49am
WTF is wrong with them? Have they known about this issue for long? it must be well reported globally by now? First ive heard of this after watching fair go.
Why did ford go for crappy plastic bits in the transmission that will break down under heat and constant contact with transmission fluid?
Seems deliberate if you ask me, does anyone know if they have actually corrected this design in newer models?
Planned obsolescence at its finest.
apollo11,
Jun 2, 12:54pm
It makes you wonder. Design the component to fail when it's well out of the warranty period and make the replacement part hideously expensive.
They can chuck these drivetrains on a test bed and cycle them through a million iterations of their use, but time and constant temperature changes affect materials in unforeseen ways. However it sounds like Ford knew the design was faulty from the outset but released it for manufacturing anyway.
Yeah quite interesting, I wonder if similar problems will arise out of newer models? Im pretty sure one of the owners was having trouble with his 2017 model.
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