Thank you for sharing your governmental opinion about what cars people should and shouldn't be driving.
I'll have a battered fillet and a scoop of chips thanks.
billyfieldman,
Sep 4, 10:13am
According to Monash University who are the producers of the UCSR report and crash ratings, vehicle safety ratings estimated from police-reported crash data of AUSTRALIAN AND NEW ZEALAND CRASHES DURING 1987-2015.
ANCAP is lab-test based UCSR is real accidents based.
This is why Suzuki Swift has ANCAP 5 star for 2011 but only 1 star in UCSR.
vtecintegra,
Sep 4, 11:42am
Yes and somehow the Jazz and City have significantly different ratings despite being closely related.
Those ratings make no sense because of how models are grouped - for instance while the Jazz and City (and Camry/Aurion) are split out the Corolla hatch and sedan are grouped together despite being different models for different markets made in different countries.
poppy62,
Sep 4, 12:55pm
I understand all that. BUT you're missing my point. It's all well and good to say the X car is better than Y car or Z car. But it would be even more enlightening if they could publish on an annual basis (or so) that 5 fatals occurred in X car 23 in Y car and 46 in Z car. Specifically outlining Make/ model year. This then gives the consumers/ buyers of cars to evaluate how safe said cars are regardless of the rating. People are still killed in all cars with all ratings just how many in each is the unknown factor I'm looking for. If for instance i was considering a 2017 Corolla with a UCSR top rating but was able to see that there were still over a year 15 fatalities in said Corolla, regardless of numbers on the road, it is enough to make me/others have a second thought about considering the car. It has nothing to do with ratios of car numbers- fatalities just how many people were actually killed. Conversely if there were no recorded deaths in any Volvos over a number of years, the Volvo then would become a car of choice fairly high up on the list especially in matters of family needs.
mack77,
Sep 4, 10:23pm
I am sure that in order to fulfill your requirement to buy a car that has the lowest possible chance of you the driver being killed, then it's just a matter of choosing the car with the highest safety rating; because that rating reflects the chance of being killed(or seriously injured). That car will be the 2012-2015 Mazda 6/Atenza as you can see if you visit the link posted by "billyfieldman" above.
billyfieldman,
Sep 5, 1:02pm
Have you read that link yet?
vtecintegra,
Sep 5, 1:09pm
That makes zero sense because that range covers two complete different models, one of which will have significantly worse safety rating than the other.
carclan,
Sep 5, 1:16pm
it may also be a particular budget and type that is not as responsible as others
gammelvind,
Sep 5, 2:12pm
Totally agree, would we agree on maybe young males driving like hoons in old heaps of non maintained pieces of crap trying to impress their mates with their “skillsâ€, are a probable target for fatal accidents.
billyfieldman,
Sep 5, 2:52pm
We should support any government measures to reduce road casualties. Safer cars on the road, lower speed limits, lower alcohol limits are all good for the community.
mack77,
Sep 5, 10:08pm
What are the two models; I thought that the only model was GH1?
mack77,
Sep 5, 10:16pm
Crashes involving fatalities happen to all vehicles, usually due to good drivers making mistakes, simply because they're human like the rest of us. Unfortunately these crashes don't attract such dramatic reporting that crashes involving dangerous driving attract.
phillip.weston,
Sep 6, 9:51am
May have had a 5 star rating by 1999 standards, but as crash test standards are constantly evolving, I highly doubt it remains to be a 5 star car nearly 20 years later.
vtecintegra,
Sep 6, 11:11am
GH was part way through 2008 to most of the way through 2012. The mode they're talking about is the GJ/GL (sedan/wagon) which is a new platform.
While the Volvo and Saab may be legit I'd suggest the Odyssey rating points to flaws in the UCSR methodology
billyfieldman,
Sep 7, 10:53am
Can you elaborate why you suggested that?
vtecintegra,
Sep 7, 11:25am
Because it should perform that much better than the Accord it's based on. That suggests they haven't controlled for other factors as well as they'd have you believe.
billyfieldman,
Sep 7, 7:09pm
The UCSR might not be perfect but for someone looking for a used car, it's a really good reference.
The IIHS and Folksam publishes something similar to UCSR too. If a car has good ratings on the UCSR, IIHS and Folksam, that says a lot for the safety of the car.
mack77,
Oct 2, 8:03am
Why should the 95 to 99 Honda Odyssey perform much better than the Accord on which it is based? What other factors do you feel that they haven't controlled for? Have you read the about the methodology that the use to come up with the ratings; if not may I suggest that you do. You will find all the information on the internet website posted by "billyfield" in a previous posting.
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