its about revenue the pigs cant ping no one doing 50 so just make it lower. if no one drives any cars the pigs will ping you for walking 6kph instead of 4. ever tried to walk at a constant speed and not go over using the gps?
intrade,
Aug 16, 2:50pm
this guy is on to the real problem pagepoint If cyclists adhered to the road rules and pedestrians spent less time looking at their phones and listening to headphones whilst crossing the road deaths and serious injuries would be greatly reduced! Its about time people started taking responsibility for their own safety instead of always blaming someone else!
tony9,
Aug 16, 4:10pm
30KPH already on some Christchurch CBD street, with a proposal to reduce to 10KPH outside the hospital.
bwg11,
Aug 16, 4:31pm
As tony says in Christchurch some 30 KPH areas now, but the final stupidity is yet to come. Christchurch in about 1975 ish set up a grid of one-way streets running north/south and east/west. They worked superbly with phased lights and you could get across town in a matter of minutes, but now St. Asaph (one of the four one-way streets) is restricted to two narrow lanes because of "traffic calming" designs and cycle lanes. A 30 KPH is planned to be imposed soon and no doubt the same will happen to the other one-way streets.
Apart from the fact you hardly see a cyclist, the centre city is doomed because nobody will go there as it is now so car "unfriendly". Just stupidity.
s_nz,
Aug 16, 5:01pm
You are pointing the finger in the wrong place.
Regarding cyclists, for fatal & injury crashes from 2008 - 2012: 64% had no cyclist fault identifies 14% had some cyclist responsibility, 23% had Cyclist primary responsibility.
For pedestrians, about half of injuries were the primary fault of a vehicle driver.
It isn't about arriving 1.08 minutes quicker or slower, but once again, motorists seen as being unable to make a sensible decision as to what is safe. What is safe at 3am may not be safe at 9am.
Just bear in mind, that pollution is increased when speeds are lowered, so the odd pedestrian is saved and maybe more are poisoned? Also, the slower the speed, the more congestion as everyone is on the road for longer. Lower the speed by 20% and increase the time taken to get from A - B by probably a lot more as people fall asleep at the traffic lights.
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 16, 11:11pm
Pretty damn stupid when too many variable speed limits have been well proven to be counter productive. Also city auto braking systems are becoming standard on even quite cheap cars now (like the Skoda Citygo which has had it for ages). Technology is solving the problem so just leave it be and stop abusing road safety as a revenue tool.
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 16, 11:18pm
Also, we need to stop promoting cycling in major cities. Its just greenie stupidity. Not only is it dangerous to the point that if they had 4 wheels they would have been banned for safety reasons 40 years ago. But they don't solve congestion because as soon as it rains those cyclists need to commute in vehicles.
Also the amount of valuable road space that cycle lanes take up in cities is absurd for the volume of traffic they carry.
It's time to get realistic. Electric autonomous share cars are the way of the future, think Uber without the driver. We should be concentrating on getting infrastructure ready for them. It's time to stop the hippy nonsense with bicycle greenie stupidity taking far to many resources and being touted as a practical solution which it's not.
If you want to cycle (and I love cycling) treat it as a hobby and do it where it's safe and practical to do so.
richardmayes,
Aug 17, 9:39am
There's a guy who looks early 50s at the youngest, who I sometimes see riding a fully enclosed recumbent tricycle along Thorndon Quay into Wellington CBD early in the mornings.
It is a very distinctive vehicle with quite a wide, bluff-shaped aluminium body, and a lot of negative camber on the two front axle wheels, and just his head sticking out the top. He goes pretty fast, but he always stops for pedestrians at pedestrian crossings so he is a scholar and a gentleman compared to 98% of commuter cyclists in Wellington!
I always assumed he must be riding in to town from Petone, or maybe Ngaio or Johnsonville. (Those are distances I could almost contemplate riding a bike!)
Then one week I drove to work a few times, and one evening I saw him riding his trike up SH2 by Hebden Cres near the Haywards Hill turnoff.
Then later in the week I saw him waaaaay the hell up at the top of the big passing lane above the water reservoirs at Te Marua. Maybe he cycles to Wellington and back from Kaitoke every day?
Cycling to work great distances obviously works if you are a Demigod-tier fitness guy! Too much hard work for mere mortals like me though.
richardmayes,
Aug 17, 9:47am
And on-topic. NO cars will NOT be banned completely.
Small stuff like speed limit changes, that back room officials can do with the stroke of a pen as part of normal day-to-day road building and maintenance operations, will continue to happen.
Big stuff like banning private motor vehicles that requires an act of parliament, will NEVER happen, because even our most nanny-state politicians are going to be loathe to do something that earns them the ire of almost everyone!
framtech,
Aug 17, 10:12pm
Easy fix, move out of the city and have freedom.
tegretol,
Aug 20, 8:04pm
True but imagine a road network with no cyclists to run over and bulldoze into the fences! Just wouldn't be the same if they all went safety!
socram,
Oct 20, 10:05am
Fine in theory, but not very practical if work/school commitments aren't transferable. A tradie or hairdresser or whatever, with a client base of 100+ people isn't going to find it easy to move to a small town.
Ditto anyone who works in the corporate world or who needs access to an international or even a domestic airport on a regular basis.
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