New rules for car imports

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harm_less, Jan 28, 10:22am
So the wind only blows during the day?

sandypheet, Jan 28, 10:24am
Guess that would leave room for the two running Euros

3tomany, Jan 28, 10:29am
As in my first post #41 mostly yes. 80% of the time there is virtually no wind generation over night.

apollo11, Jan 28, 10:41am
If it works out financially to do so, then people will do it.

apollo11, Jan 28, 10:45am
I'm not sure if 'all the ev's will be charging at the same time'. There are likely to be far more ev's sitting idle on a charger at home than are charging.

harm_less, Jan 28, 10:46am
Your claim would seem to be at odds with this: https://www.quora.com/Is-there-more-wind-power-at-night-Or-does-lower-usage-increase-the-of-power-from-wind

Also anecdotally we previously lived in a house on an exposed site that often suffered shaking from nighttime wind activity.

harm_less, Jan 28, 10:48am
Such as our EV presently that is plugged in with a timer set to commence charging at midnight. Got to love those cheap off peak rates!

apollo11, Jan 28, 10:50am
Wind farms tend to get put where it's consistently windy most of the time. That's the whole point. If you have ever been out on Wellington's coast, (especially up on the cliffs by the sea) there is very seldom a windless day.

s_nz, Jan 28, 10:52am
It originally had four 250MW Coal & Gas units (for a total of 6 units). Currently two of the four coal and gas units are not operational, and two are (although one of the four may be on standby to be brought back online in a dry year).

apollo11, Jan 28, 10:56am
I've been stuck behind diesel 4wd's going up Ngauranga Gorge and have had to change lanes so I could see through the smoke. Just a guess, but I'd say it would be only 10 percent of the cars out there doing 90 percent of the polluting. And it might just be a case of a faulty component needing to be replaced, not the entire vehicle.

3tomany, Jan 28, 10:59am
You can check the wind generation on the live data and i can guarantee that during most nights there is very little wind generation.
https://www.transpower.co.nz/power-system-live-data

cassina1, Jan 28, 11:01am
That would possibly put half of all cars off the road and as most of those cars would be owned by Labour voters it may never happen. Jacinda would have to chose between saving the planet or losing votes.

s_nz, Jan 28, 11:26am
Yeah, it is well known that a small portion of the vehicle fleet pollutes excessively.

I support tailpipe sniffer tests at WOF's to ensure these vehicles get fixed or removed from the fleet.

gunna-1, Jan 28, 11:28am
They can ALLREADY ticket smokey diesels.

s_nz, Jan 28, 11:29am
NZ herald has rewritten their article.

https://www.driven.co.nz/news/government-clean-car-standard-for-new-zealand-what-exactly-does-a-105g-model-look-like/

Penality is not $50 / gram / car.

105g by 2025 is out, 102g for cars and SUV's, and 132g for utes and SUV's is in.

That split target is a mess. We don't want to be encouraging people who would be better served by an SUV into a ute.

3tomany, Jan 28, 11:40am
Yip so it is $50 per gram. My just purchased wildtrack is 179g so under the new rules it will cost me $2350.00 more to purchase. Still not a biggie on $64,000 car.

s_nz, Jan 28, 1:16pm
Current wildtrak 2.0 biturbo is listed at 195g. (past ones might have had a lower rating?)

https://www.ford.co.nz/commercial/ranger/models/4wd-wildtrak-double-cab-wellside-2-0l-bi-turbo/

But your point still stands, Probably cheaper ford to miss the target and just price the $3150 fine into the $60k+ vehicle than to actually lower their fleet emission's. That said, by the partial fines start to kick in in 2023 ford will have done some changes to improve economy.

The stupid thing is if somebody was cross-hopping Everest (181g co2/km), and 4x4 ranger (195g co2/km), The cost to an over carbon budget automaker (likely ford will be) is $3,950 & $3,150 respectively. So the government policy encourages the purchase of the less efficient ute.

Ford does have a plug in hybrid ranger coming. Going to kick ass too with 270kW, but I bet the retail price of that one is $12k+ more. Again makes a $3k fine look like chump change.

3tomany, Jan 28, 3:42pm
To ad insult to injury it is not the new car buyer that pays but the used car buyer as resale values will be higher and the new guy will lose nothing. Instead of trading said ranger in for 48k it will be 50 or even 52k trade value so i lose nothing with the new tax.

rgflav, Jan 29, 12:33am
thinkl only two still operating.

two9s, Jan 29, 2:02am
So you are happy to let someone else cycle your $15,000 tesla powerwall battery and reduce its effective life, just to help smooth out peak loads?

harm_less, Jan 29, 2:29am
If the Powerwall or car battery was under a lease agreement from Tesla or if a significant discounting system was in place I'm sure most customers would be agreeable to a reciprocal scenario. The other factor that should be considered is that Tesla battery technology is approaching '1 million mile' capability so potential lifetime cycling will be well beyond the expected life of the device they are installed in.

3tomany, Jan 29, 3:20am
depending on weather the wind comes and goes. coal is blowing it away at this minute. Would be good to see the data smoothed over 24 hours or even a week. That coal just keeps burning no matter the weather.
https://www.transpower.co.nz/power-system-live-data

kazbanz, Jan 29, 3:46am
I think you guys are really missing what they are trying to do.
Very much the same as with the ESC law change the government wants us to literally be world leaders.
To be clear. YES many other countries have introduced laws to reduce emissions. But this is on NEW cars. So it does not apply to the used fleet including used grey imports. This government wants ALL imported cars to meet the new standard.
Frankly you lot being "car guys" should be up in arms about this because they are also looking to close the 20 year old vehicle loophole as part of the process.
If they have their way there will be no more classics coming in from overseas --except "for display purposes" --ie they can't go on the road.

3tomany, Jan 29, 4:00am
Thanks for that Kaz i did not realize the 20 year exemption is to be scrapped. That does concern me. I am not concerned with used imports especially write offs being involved as most used car buyers would be better buying a new swift and getting use to driving a smaller car.
Time to shift focus as i am sure used electric cars will be very sought after under these rules so the import business will be fine.

kestrel43, Jan 29, 4:47am
Good, the 20 year old exemption needs to go, it's being rorted.