Not that case at all. The modern common rail Diesels are much more hardy and long lasting than Diesels of old, you just have to avoid the japanese ones because they are a decade behind and don't have enough market to develop good ones.
Modern common rail diesels can have oil change intervals literally 10 times longer than the diesels of old and often are still running well with more than 1'000'000 km on the clock.
They are about as hardy as an engine can be.
mm12345,
Nov 20, 3:40am
Rubbish.
richardmayes,
Nov 20, 1:00pm
You realise that road user charges on diesel for cars is just the petrol tax you AREN'T paying at the pump when you fill up a diesel car, right!
It's not some "tall poppy tax for those who won't drive a Toyota like good little socialist citizens".!
And there seem to be more Prius and Camry Hybrid taxis than ever in Wellington; I guess that either they're all idiots, or else it is actually working out for them.!
smac,
Nov 20, 1:23pm
Nicely reasoned discussion y'got there.quiet now, the adults are talking.
3tomany,
Nov 20, 1:36pm
thats thirsty my falcon under the same conditions does 7.5 litres per hundy and its big powerfull and comfy
r15,
Nov 20, 1:43pm
i drove a new hybrid camry a year and a half ago, did about 90km in it, with a mix of 50k (no real traffic), then 100k zones into some windy hilly country and back.
fuel economy though i cant remember what it was now exactly, diappointing, i think it was somewhere around 8l/100k, sure not too bad for a bigger car, but i was driving it gently / trying to make the electric do the work.
couldnt help thinking the whole time i'd be far better off to have a diesel.
fortunately i was never in the market to buy such a thing, just wanted to drive it so i could come to my own conclusions
(no i was not tyre kicking. i knew the yard operator)
mm12345,
Nov 20, 1:54pm
No point reasoning against delusional fantasy. "Rubbish" was an appropriate reply.
smac,
Nov 20, 2:14pm
The point is, no matter how delusional or fanciful a statement is, if you simply state 'rubbish' you've done nothing useful to dispute the original statement, and make yourself look like a muppet in the process. If you know enough to dispute him, why not serve up the goods!
thejazzpianoma,
Nov 20, 2:20pm
I wouldn't have even bothered replying at # 26 if I had noticed who the poster was. mm12345 seems to have issues with change. He was busy in another thread telling us that DSG transmissions were all some kind of time bomb and that sort of technology should be used in exotic/race cars only and pretending they cost $10'000 to fix. He didn't take kindly to my showing him complete new crated transmissions for about $3000.
He is now on my "troll list" so will mostly be ignored in future.
We really must introduce him to mapman though. they would make a good pair.
kazbanz,
Nov 20, 2:21pm
Personally I take a different view on this subject. Accept it or bury our heads in the sand the world is using up oil based products Alternative fuel needs to be found or we will be sitting in little villages wondering what went wrong. Are the current crop of hybrids better than pure petrol or diesel cars. Clearly NO. But to be good enough to even be able to be comared to a petrol car I think is quite something. Personally I think the Hydrogen cars the Yanks have developed are a real good alternative.
mm12345,
Nov 20, 2:44pm
I actually provided links with dsg and mechatronic unit replacement cost in Australia, which IIRC was around AUD $7,800. The crate dsg units you linked to on ebay are surprisingly inexpensive, I certainly don't "take that unkindly".But with freight, GST, and currency exchange, about US$2500 isn't going to be anywhere near "about $3,000" to get the part, then there's the cost for fitting the transmission.
thejazzpianoma,
Nov 20, 3:40pm
The trouble is everyone is buying Prius's hand over fist which is just allowing Toyota to milk a huge profit which they are doing nothing to develop anything better with.
What needs to happen is for us to support VW who DO invest properly in research and development and have shown that they can produce some properly economical vehicles.
VW spent 100 Billion Euro's developing their technology leading models of 7 years ago which bough unprecedented power/economy to the market with the revolutionary DSG transmission, FSI engines and super economical Diesels. They then spent another fortune further developing those engines and are about to spend another 70 Billion again over the next few years.
VW's first Hybrid attempt was about 5 times more economical than what Toyota have spent the last 10 years "developing". Its time they were kicked to the curb and support was given to VW so we can get their properly economical hybrids to the market.
shelleigh,
Nov 20, 3:50pm
Stevo I did that trip over 20 years ago with a tour - lots of fun and awesome places. Am looking forward to doing it again sometime. I laughed at your last comment - sounds like something my dad would have enjoyed doing, with my mum telling him off lol
wasser61,
Nov 20, 5:05pm
Or the most economical of them all. Ford Fiesta Econetic.
richardmayes,
Nov 20, 5:38pm
I've been on numerous rides in Mk 3 & Mk 4 Prius taxis around Wellington. Nice cars, far nicer inside than a Corolla and they have the smooth ride of a much bigger car, as well as absolute silence when they stop at lights. The instant torque of the electric seems to give them the grunt of a much bigger car for hill starts too.
I wouldn't own one though, I would rather manage the fuel bills on a slightly less-efficient car than own all of that as-yet-new technology and risk who knows what repair bills as it gets older.
elect70,
Nov 20, 5:52pm
Better to get full electric car for city use ,& have a secondfamilycar forlong distance use . Most fuel is consumed by commuters/. houswives shoppingetcdoing under 100km day . The future is deiselthey reckon as development of petrol,engines almostreached its limit .
foxdonut,
Nov 20, 10:10pm
The Prius has poor rear seating for bigger people. I'm average height and build, probably below average and I find them cramped.
The real problem with the Prius and Civic Hybrids aren't that they're gutless expensive pieces of shit, its that they're soulless and to quote Marky Mark - "I literally feel like I'm driving a tampon" when I'm in one.
For all the planet saving bullshit that people like to spend money on and pay extra taxes so that politicians can fly on a half booked jet on holidays, I'd rather spend the money on myself and have something that makes cool noises, is big, goes fast and tells people I like cars, rather than tells them I'm a poseur wanker type who's life is dictated to him by his wife and kids.
There's a real market for fast and decent hybrids, why Toyota decided to go with five and a half foot long female sanitary device and not the big red penis extension Alessandro Volta concept is anyones guess.
Moral of the story: Hybrids are for pussies and when you're dead and rotting in the ground the people above aren't going to be singing your praises for driving a slightly more economic car - they straight up aren't going to give a shit.
So live life - drive a V8.
pollymay,
Nov 20, 10:51pm
Can't do good skids, no care
thejazzpianoma,
Nov 20, 10:56pm
Most of the reason Toyota went with what they have is aerodynamics. Pretty much their attempt at an economical engine is a fail. However aerodynamics have a huge amount of scope to be exploited and its mostly through this that the Prius gets what economy it does. I would hate to think how thirsty it would be on the open road if it was a more traditional shape.
They are a real bunch of nutters, and really like their sandals and socks but its worth popping over to ecomodder.com and seeing just what sort of crazy economy they can get out of old cars with home made "boat tails" and the like.
stevo2,
Nov 20, 11:07pm
Bullshit.
richardmayes,
Nov 20, 11:27pm
I heard the original mk1 limbo was designed in a wind tunnel. I guess those must be better than modern hybrids also!
bigfatmat1,
Nov 21, 12:57am
No but I fix them I would not own one myself. Have also done extensive training in the last 5 years while achievingmy level 8
Alot of you seem to forget or not know how a series parallel hybrid works or functions. let alone consistantly dribble about battery weight and carbon footprint this thread is automaticaly doomed and is assumed we are talking about a prius as well. I thought the title was hybrids not prius. What comes out a diesels tail pipe and what comes out a hybrids! Its not all about low fuel figures. how does this engine achieve these low figures! To many haters out there for me to even waste any more time explaining them
craig04,
Nov 21, 1:04am
What Falcon will return 7.5l/100km's mixed running! Mine does about 9l/100km's open road and 13l/100km's round town (short hilly trips).
craig04,
Nov 21, 1:05am
Oh, can I be on your troll list too!
thejazzpianoma,
Nov 21, 1:09am
No. you have got a whole list of your own.
Seriously though, your witty satire is something I look forward to.
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