Well, we knew that, but you know who will say otherwise.
Maybe I should go and get a more comfortable chair.
socram,
Jun 16, 10:01pm
Based on just one UK warranty company's data, who do not even cover several makes of car.Totally meaningless in NZ - or the UK for that matter, unless you are purchasing an old secondhand car that is out of the manufacturer's warranty period, whichthese days is a minimum of 3 years.
trdbzr,
Jun 16, 10:04pm
As far as im aware they cover all makes. Any evidence that they don't cover several makes of cars! Or was that just some spin!
msigg,
Jun 17, 3:26am
Yea that would be correct, the most common cars are generally the most reliable. You just can't beat a corrolla or camry.
whqqsh,
Jun 17, 3:35am
pommy lists dont tend to mean a lot over here by comparison & many of those I wouldnt think were 'family' cars, even if 'small family' is a category
morrisman1,
Jun 17, 3:48am
Its not like NZ is any different from UK really, sure some model differences but in a nutshell it will be much the same. So why do the pommy lists not mean anything over here! Surely if a car can break over there it can break over here!
gammelvind,
Jun 17, 3:59am
If you listen to our most ardent euro fan, somehow the euro cars get really reliable when they come out here, and the jap cars not so. Must be because we are in the southern hemisphere and things swap around from whats on the list.
phillip.weston,
Jun 17, 4:05am
would be interesting to see where the ford falcon and holden commodore would feature in that list if they were available over there.
fordcrzy,
Jun 17, 4:07am
what a touran is unreliable! i guess all those people who bought toyotas are kicking themselves.not
tgray,
Jun 17, 4:14am
So 7 out of the top 10 are jappas and zero out of the bottom 10 are jappas. Gee, and I was thinking the fiat punto would have been up there.
socram,
Jun 17, 4:55am
Just shows what some of yiou think you think you know!
Many of the so called Jappas' in that list are made in Europe anyway!
Having just returned from a trip to Italy and France, Jappas were conspicuous by their absence.Just about all cars were Euros, particularly in Italy.Slightly higher percentage of cars with Jap names in the UK - reason is obvious, but they were still in the minority overall.
Surveys such as these can be read several ways and what is important is the information they don't give.
1)What percentage of that make or model of car compared to the number in the survey. 2) How many of those represented compared to the number of those on the road. 3) How many are multi owner cars (none would be the original owner). 4) Mileages! 5) How many are company cars/hire cars/cabs!
And so on.
Casual observation- on UK motorways, if you are travelling at the legal speed, you are most likely to be overtaken by a car or van with a German badge.
tgray,
Jun 17, 4:53pm
So if a corolla was made in europe, you would count that as a euro car and judge it's reliability accordingly! Jappas conspiciously absent in Europe!Of course they are. You say your more likely to be overtaken by a german badge. What on earth has that got to do with reliability! You mention about survey numbers etc - well there may have been more or less of each brand, but before we start manipulating the numbers to shed a certain brand in a better light, we can only go by what's been recorded and have to treat them as relative and for what they are.
freedomaira320,
Jun 17, 5:02pm
Nothing new in that survey. Everyone knows Japanese cars are more reliable than Euros. But that doesn't necessarily make them more desirable - it's just one of the reasons you purchase a car. I've got a Peugeot with an absolutely annoying intermittent electrical fault, but I still love that car.
hannuxx,
Jun 17, 7:09pm
Depends how you drive them. Japanese cars are only more reliable because there is nothing to them. Thats why their cheap nasty and underpowered Buy a euro
freedomaira320,
Jun 17, 7:33pm
I'm a Euro man myself, but this is complete bollocks.
kazbanz,
Jun 17, 7:40pm
Thats a sweeping statement of the VERY worst kind. By your statement an EVO 8 is underpowered and uncomplicated compared to a fiat punto. A Prius is less complicated than a polo at least compare apples directly with apples
666steve,
Jun 18, 3:11am
If you had asked someone in the know, you would have found out that there are strict quotas on "Jappas" sold in Europe, otherwise you would have seen many more.
One day you may go to South Korea - you can go just about all day without seeing a Toyota , Mazda or Nissan. Why! Protectionist import policies.
mugenb20b,
Jun 18, 3:55am
What planet are you from!
skull,
Jun 18, 5:27am
The planet VW of course, that's the planet with 2x moons, 1 called Piano and the other called Jazz. You knew that already didn't you mugs, it was a rhetorical question.
kazbanz,
Jun 18, 4:11pm
Hey socram. One reason you don't see so many Jap cars in europe is the same reason you diddn't see so many in the USA or to a smaller degree Australia. Its the same reason the nissan Micra/march is "built" in the UK The gubbiments have protectionism of local product. Thers also the pure logistics of it too. The $1500 ish in freight to send a built up car to GB from Japan Not going into the whole jap/euro debate as its just gotten boring. Re the guys tearing past in euro's -YUP the same "yoofs" are everywhere around the world -In auzzie theyre in fords and holdens <iN japan in subaru imprezzas-In europe in euro hot hatches. Same with the more "mature" guys.-In NZ they'll be in commode's with a V8or maybe lexus
delerium1,
Jun 18, 9:29pm
yip, those GTR's are cheap nasty and under powered. Tui anybody!
fordcrzy,
Jun 18, 9:45pm
SOME OF YOU HAVE MISSED THE POINT! the survey is based on a percentage breakdown rate of THAT MODEL CAR. so it doesnt matter how many are in the group, its the percentage failure rate of that group. so even if there was 1000 corollas and 10,000 VW's the toyota was more reliable as a percentage not raw breakdown numbers.im sure the breakdown percentages would be similar no matter what country they were in
lucus2011,
Jun 18, 10:09pm
I wholeheartedly agree. I've had a 92 Camry for two years now, paid $2000 for it and have had no problems whatsoever. It's not the newest, coolest looking, or most powerful but it does what I need it to do and is about the most reliable thing in existence. I'd happily buy another.
socram,
Jun 19, 3:38am
.of those covered by THAT warranty company only.If there were several companies producing the data, it may or may not corroborate their figures.I am not saying that they are not representative, but It may well be that another warranty company specialises in different cars, so would come out with different figures.
If you took the UK's CSMA's (Civil Service Motoring Association) insurance figures of a few years ago for example, several cars wouldn't appear in their accident claims results, as they simply wouldn't cover them, to minimise their risk exposure.They would insure my standard Mini, then loaded my modified 850cc Mini 10%, but refused to cover a 998cc Mini Cooper at all. It may well be that there is a chain of new and secondhand car dealers who specialise in particular makes and models and also hook into a collective for insurance, finance, warranties and repairs. That skews other companies' figures.My friendly panel beater specialises in BMWs, so 90% of his work is BMW.Needless to say, any figures from his business would be totally different from any other panel beater.Warranty and lease companies are no different.
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