Absolutely I would, love the noise of my cars but electric could turn out some wicked times in the rally car. I would prefer to keep my motorbike petrol powered though, lawnmower can go electric though lol
mals69,
Dec 24, 8:18am
Refreshing to hear reality - cheers
mals69,
Dec 24, 8:19am
"Nice Action"
fordcrzy,
Dec 24, 9:42am
the electric bike designed in NZ is a great thing i reckon. would be good for posties/couriers or to get around big factories event centers etc
We'd definitely be in the market for a small electric. Got a Honda City that does 50km /day commute, cheap as, but once it dies it's going to be hard to replace. Converting it has crossed my mind a bit though.
travis47,
Dec 24, 10:36am
And when most houses have solar the cost of motoring will be virtually nothing.
Given that EVs are exempted from paying RUCs until 30 June 2020 I think it would be safe to claim that NZ's (and most country's) vehicle fleets will have a far higher percentage of EVs then than they have now. Most vehicle manufacturers now have EVs in their range or in some stage of development. Ford alone plan on having 13 EV models in their range by 2020 http://www.theengineer.co.uk/ford-to-invest-additional-4-5bn -into-electric-vehicles/ Another significant influence to EV numbers and the economics of running them compared to fossil fuel powered vehicles will be international oil prices which by 2020 will be on a skyward trajectory with the political and technological induced current glut well relegated to history. So in current day terms RUCs for light vehicles (less than 3.5T) are 6.2c/km (incl GST) https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/licensing-rego/road-user-c harges/ruc-rates-and-transacti- on-fees/#RUC-rates-for-distanc-
e-licences-powered Considering that most EVs presently represented in NZ are well under 3.5T, and unlikely to be towing a trailer, a rate of about half (i.e. approx 3c/km) seems reasonable seeing as how RUCs are levied in order to contribute to maintenance of the roading network. The proviso should apply though that if EVs pay RUCs then part of the RUC fund is earmarked for roll-out of a comprehensive NZ wide EV charging network.
Incidentally even if taxed RUCs at 6.2c/km (and charged at retail power price) the running combined running cost for a Leaf would be about 10c/km. Based on the Mazda 3's 5.7L/100km fuel consumption with petrol at $2.00/L it costs 11.4c/km to 'run' fuel-wise.
One point worth noting is that the "artificially low" cost of running an EV when compared to an ICE vehicle is largely because most of the energy contained in fossil fuels is wasted as heat when it fuels an ICE. An EV however generates negilible heat and even recaptures energy from the vehicles motion by way of regenerative braking.
ignition328,
Dec 24, 10:14pm
Comparing to petrol per km is a farce, if the gooberment wants to cream off the top they shouldn't really look at old tech to line up how much to make off new technology. I understand roading costs but if you create new tech I feel a better system than "what the old one earned us" is in order.
In fact I think this should be a thing being put in the spotlight as there should be a fair transition between the 2 technologies based on more than pure economics.
franc123,
Dec 25, 4:30am
I will say again, you EV nerds who bandy about all these cents per km figures and kilowatt hours and generally bore people are living in cuckoo land if you think Govts are going to let you operate vehicles that cheap long term. It won't be happening. Petrol tax is used for far more than just roading maintenance, its going to be recovered in other ways.
mals69,
Dec 25, 4:34am
What is with the anti EV ? Scared you will not have a clue how to fix one ?
franc123,
Dec 25, 4:50am
Where have I said I'm anti EV? All I am saying is that people shouldn't get smug about low operating costs. Given what training I've done on EV's so far with two manufacturers I will know more about dealing with them than you ever will.
mals69,
Dec 25, 5:50am
You a registered electrican too ? LMFAO EV nerds such positive sentiment - not ! Its excting times and you poo pooing about the GOV of all things - it will be economy of scale in the future, short-sighted basing it on todays outcomes.
serf407,
Dec 25, 6:05am
The NZ and local NZ Governments have a fairly good record of stuffing up technology implementations. They probably bring back a poll tax if everyone takes to bicycles because they can't afford electric cars when ice engines are restricted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_per_headhttps://youtu.be/OfL9aV9if30 (Model X) https://youtu.be/KbO6-C2Yajg (Model X) Probably be autonomous (self driving) communal/ uber type cars to take you to the rail station/ bus stop. Anything with a ice engine might have a yearly/ monthly distance restriction and when the mechanic does the warrant and taps in the odo distance you will get fined - direct debit on your account. https://youtu.be/VfbJYWrXS9I (Merc)
mals69,
Dec 25, 6:13am
Who knows what is install for the NZ economy - looking good at present. May not be the need for so much tax take.
mals69,
Dec 25, 6:19am
Where is the edit button when ya need it lolollol
harm_less,
Dec 26, 8:07am
The key point is that ICEs waste most of the energy contained in oil derived fuels as heat which is either blown out the exhaust or has to be dissipated by the engine cooling system. Using hydrocarbons to make explosions within a metal block is an inherantly wasteful technology especially as it relies on a dwindling finite resource. Besides, even our current government with their head in the sand attitude towards environmental degradation would struggle to tax sunshine, which is what our EV runs on for the most part.
And you are right in that "petrol tax" is squandered on more than just road maintenance, but I was referring to RUCs which are primarily tagged for roading (theoretically).
elect70,
Dec 26, 10:27am
i might build 1 out of a mini , front motor E_W with some type of diff between & back seat & boot for batteries . plan was to use an old electric forklift motor & traction batteries as they have a good run time .Imagine getting it road legal would cost $$$
EVs are exempt from RUCs in NZ until June 2020 but as so many influencing factors will change by then it's anybody's guess how they will be implemented and how much they will be beyond then. Assuming something similar to the current 6.2c/km it will still see EVs being very economical to drive.
sharchew,
Dec 27, 10:06am
When the price is right I will have one in my garage and to hell with the oil companies.
serf407,
Dec 27, 3:50pm
Could have both RUC and a rfid tag for time of day based road tolling. Mainly about the Auckland traffic network 1/3 of the vehicles in NZ stuffed into a small space, rest of NZ will be effected by paying the extra cost of having goods transported from Auckland stuck in traffic for half a day before the transport delivery truck makes it over the Bombay Hills and can start to get to 90km/h. https://youtu.be/yGZlQhyYxRo ($12 billion funding shortfall for Auckland Roads- 30 year planning time span - independent advisory group suggests regional fuel tax, road tolling etc) #keepAucklandmoving
,
Aug 30, 5:22pm
Your numbers for total generation are WAY off. New Zealand generated around 152000 terrajoules of energy (as electricity) in 2014, I'm pretty sure 2016 won't be much different.
And for your petrol diesel figures (of which I am now dubious), only about 5040 of those 28000 terrajoules went into moving vehicles, the rest was just wasted as heat. To move all of our passenger fleet to electric requires 540 megawatts of total additional generation. To put this in perspective we have about 2900 megawatts of additional generation just in wind power already consented for construction.
The energy required is minor, the issue is peak load, but if you read the earlier posts in this thread you'll get an idea of why this is much less of a problem than it appears.
,
Aug 30, 6:29pm
Its curious how many people are really threatened by electric cars. There's this big group of people who have no experience with them, barely any knowledge of how they work and have never driven them, who feel they really need to speak up about how bad they are despite clearly having no clue. Its' kinda bizarre.
People do understand its just a car right? A machine for going from A to B, ideally with air conditioning, comfortable seats and a bit of get up and go when you hit the pedal.
You can have two, or even several of them, a 400 big block toy or 4x4 for the weekends and an electric car for driving to work.
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