If the oil runs out and there is still plenty of coal you never know.
3tomany,
May 9, 2:50am
Toyota has become a fleet specialist so price will be the no 1 concern to win all the big tenders. I recently saw a parking lot with new Toyotas in, I counted about 700 and 650 of them would have been white. Didn't think to much until my ford dealer showed me a photo of the parking lot my new ranger was parked in, it was about the same size yard but hardly a white one in there
gunhand,
May 9, 2:54am
Yup, and that there traction engine could out pull half a dozen new utes (or more) lined up up trying to pull it. Without breaking a sweat. geez all they show these modern things doing is, pulling a boat out of the water, "WOW" carrying 2 MX bikes, "CRIKEY" or even a load of tools, "WHOA". Mind you I did see a Jeep towing a caravan, "HOLLY HELL" Yep, come a long way these utes, couldn't do that with them 20 years ago. Actually that traction engine has couple of small flaws, You need two to operate it (I Think) and no air con, oh and it would take 3 weeks to travel 200kms lol, possable no cup holder either, so thats 4 minor pitfalls.
gsimpson,
May 9, 3:00am
Built in espresso machine though.
cagivachick1,
May 9, 3:42am
sounds like jez has a inferioty complex, did someone driving a hilux steal your lunch
gunhand,
May 9, 3:46am
No punctures either I guess, prob cook ya breaky lunch and tea on it as well.
ema1,
May 9, 3:53am
Yep right for a change, just like most folks that prefer other non Euro's as well are immune to the poison bias from Euro Warriers
ema1,
May 9, 3:58am
Plenty of water too, but if the worst thing ever was likely to eventuate . some entity will no doubt slap on some form of tax on water not to mention what ever gets used to turn it to steam being included in the tax grab. right?
thejazzpianoma,
May 9, 4:01am
Impressive heater though.
ema1,
May 9, 4:05am
Great views too, no need for bull bars ha ha.
gunhand,
May 9, 4:09am
No issues parking one, anywhere you EFFIN like.
thejazzpianoma,
May 9, 4:36am
Yes, sadly though, assuming Toyota continue on this evolutionary track that may well be the last of it's kind.
I think it's safe to assume the drivers view from the 10th generation hilux would be something like this.
Thought you might like that. Hay how many jap utes wont have a euro engine by 2016 ?
thejazzpianoma,
May 9, 4:52am
In all seriousness I don't know. It certainly is the logical thing to do, Suzuki have done far better with the Fiat 1.3 and 1.9 in their cars than I think they would have trying to do their own thing on a severely limited budget. Toyota's in house D4D has been a definite fail IMO, low km examples are keeping an engine re-conditioner I know supplied with plenty of work.
Toyota have agreed to buy BMW's smaller engine range, my understanding is this will include the RAV4 diesel option. For some reason though I think they might be trying to do their own thing still with the HIlux. not sure on that though. I don't know where the new 2.8 is coming from, haven't heard anything of it (not that I have really bothered to look).
So yes will be interesting to see.
Personally, I would really like to see the little Fiat Ute bought in to NZ. I am not sure if it comes in RHD form but if it does it would fill a real need in our market. It's a lower smaller ute like you used to get in the 80's. It's priced very much at the entry level, but it's galvanised and has those brilliant Fiat diesels. I reckon it would be a real winner in NZ.
ema1,
May 9, 5:31am
Wishful thinking but the chance of that happening is next to none. well in your and my lifetime and my kids lifetime . not a snowball's show in hell.
brapbrap8,
May 9, 6:15am
I have just done lots of googling, and it seems that most sources are saying the new Hilux is powered by a tweaked version of the Cummins 2.8 found in. THE FOTON TUNLAND. If that is true, that will either lift Fotons credibility, or lower Toyotas.
serf407,
May 9, 7:10am
Toyota play the long game. Toyota probably has hybrid and fuel cell Hiluxes in the R & D centre and conside diesel engines a twilight mode of power. https://youtu.be/QJDdoKT2U28 (Beijing Foton Cummins Engine factory, one of the most modern diesel engine plants in the world.) US, Indian and UK engineer is this. https://youtu.be/8nL-luAKOPk (TRD hilux - 200kw by supercharging) http://www.chinacummins.net/article.php?id=110/en (ISF 3.8 litre diesel)
200kw and 10 gears in a medium size ute? Is 130kw and 6 gears not enough in a medium size ute? What's next, 300kw and 15 gears?
thejazzpianoma,
May 9, 4:10pm
It's not so much a matter of "not enough" it's more a matter of which is better. Just like you can undo most nuts with a cheap adjustable wrench, but a decent socket set is much better.
10 gears, with lightening fast changes, direct drive and all in one range. That's flipping brilliant whether you are off roading, dragging a log up a hill, pulling a 5th wheeler over a mountain range or wanting excellent fuel economy.
Likewise 200KW on tap with little or no reduction in economy is fantastic for much the same reasons.
The silly thing with these arguments is, whenever Toyota has anything that could be conceived as a slight advantage it's a "Must have feature" in particular when VW introduced a lower power cheaper Amarok it was "too gutless". However when VW has something that is considerably better it's somehow completely unnecessary. The bias in here is laughable.
bjmh,
Feb 6, 3:47am
jazz I have had hiluxs for years and I'm the first to admit they have finally been outdone. but I can service a late model hilux for about $200. what would be an average service cost for Amorak.Also resale is a big selling point for me as I turn my vehicles over fairly often.It will be interesting to see if all the new Rangers that have been sold. hold a good resale value.All modern utes are glass slippers ,but they ride good ha ha.
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