Dangerous and inconsiderate driving

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snoopy221, Sep 20, 5:04pm
But Hey
Post#113.
Is Very Very Important here.
Because when one deals with FACTS
[Unlike being a Goat-and going off Half Cocked]
One can LOOK. at the FIRST Photo in the link in #113
(Stuff reports the truck and trailer was HEADING to Stratford-Where the fire engine came from)
Check gogle maps a bit towards Stratford from Hastings road on Stratford Opunake road and observer WHERE the trees in the picture are

ema1, Sep 20, 5:10pm
I suppose next thing mrfxit the goat will be requiring all vehicles to have forward facing radar to be made mandatory, actually the idea would be good but I'll bet folks would be inclined to either turn them off or ignore them.
I have yet to see any vehicles in convoy keep exact spacing between each other but oh no that will get disputed too by our GOAT TWAT.
Twat seems to be a description he uses at will. often seen it in other threads in his usual arrogant posts.
Tosser fits very well IMO.
Poor goat . he's having a bad day Hmmmmm . what a bloody shame. !

ema1, Sep 20, 5:40pm
Right then . give your reasons etc as to why you say they are inconsiderate twats?
They were going about their driving minding there own business and going at a conservative speed . is that illegal, not in my book?
Are they in anyone's way. not in my book, apart from folks that are speeding and are to impatient for the conditions present.
Come on get real are you genuine or just a nit picking twat picking a bone with no meat on it or what?
I'd like to know, as you haven't got this one right IMO Goat !
They are driving in a convoy as stated . is that a crime, in your eyes it is, not in mine, there appears to be good more than adequate spacing for the speed they were doing which going uphill wouldn't have been fast anyway, the space in front of the video camera vehicle was big enough to allow the speeding ute to pull in . in a hurry and slow down enough not to hit the 4WD in front of the ute, going by what I saw on that video there was plenty of space between the 4WD vehicles, it couldn't be called tailgating until the ute roared in and did exactly that.
Oh by the way I couldn't give a rats arse if you did start this thread, you sure as hell have made a right pigs ear out of it with your fixed mind set when others beg to differ with what they and I saw on that video, inconsiderate twats be buggered.!
Typical company vehicle . driven it like it's stolen, I hope the ute driver goes for the high jump . big time . over and out!

purplegoat, Sep 21, 12:53am
And I thought you were smarter than that . or are you bored tonight and just trolling ?

purplegoat, Sep 21, 12:55am
Interestingly this incident is doing the rounds on a few social media platforms . A quick review of a couple of those shows a strong swell of posters condemning the inconsiderate driving of the 4WD's
perhaps it's only on TM we get the emasnoopits who go off on illogical and irrelevant ramblings

whqqsh, Sep 21, 1:08am
nah, it's just on here we're 'car guys' who (mostly, bar a few) take pride in our vehicles, driving & roadcraft & not some millennial, 'I can do what I want & nothings ever my fault', 'gimme another chance', 'gimme a handout' that loves to sit on the net passing comment while driving around for 5 years on their 'L's with headphones on, cellphone in front of their face & thinking indicator stalks are just there to hang their charger off

sadmuddle, Sep 21, 2:43am
This what I see three vehicles including the filming vehicle driving to conditions . As always a nutter comes along and now we have another nutter putting up a argument that one of the sensible driver is at fault. Goat is a nutter

esky-tastic, Sep 21, 3:12am
Excellent logical post!

Some on here should take heed.

esky-tastic, Sep 21, 3:15am
I find it odd how people make a decision to overtake.

Then blame the vehicle(s) they decided to overtake when the manoeuvre doesn't pan out they way they thought it should.

sadmuddle, Sep 21, 3:24am
If the Plumbing World driver had hit the tanker head on he would be dead also the tanker driver , The ute driver entirely to blame . Total madness.I think I will contact Plumbing World to find out what they are doing about this employee.When I see this happen myself I write to the owners of a sign written vehicle and tell them we will never use their product or service again.

bumfacingdown, Sep 21, 3:28am
OK, lets start with facts, what speed were the 4x4s traveling at?
How much clear road could the ute driver see for his entire maneuver?

mrfxit, Sep 21, 3:42am
If an impact had happened, the 1st impact would have included .
The Ute
The tanker
The camera 4x4
Both of the 4x4's behind him (including the towed 4x4)

Depending on which way the tanker trailer swung, could have taken out the 4x4 in front of the ute & possibly clipped the lead 4x4.

Either way. the road would have been closed for at least 1 to 2 days or more if the tanker had split or caught fire

mrfxit, Sep 21, 3:58am
Ok here we go.
Good estimate of braking distances = how fast can you Slow down/ Stop.
http://www.brakingdistances.com/
Calculations for wet & dry roads are included & I choose a likely comparative speed difference for this incident

120 Kph DRY Braking Distance =
Thinking Distance: 73 ft (22 m)
Braking Distance: 278 ft (85 m)
Stopping Distance: 351 ft (107 m)

120 Kph WET Braking Distance =
Thinking Distance: 73 ft (22 m)
Braking Distance: 556 ft (169 m)
Stopping Distance: 629 ft (192 m)

80 Kph WET Braking Distance =
Thinking Distance: 49 ft (15 m)
Braking Distance: 124 ft (38 m)
Stopping Distance: 173 ft (53 m)

80 Kph DRY Braking Distance =
Thinking Distance: 49 ft (15 m)
Braking Distance: 247 ft (75 m)
Stopping Distance: 296 ft (90 m)

headcat, Sep 21, 4:02am
Cruising refers to drivers circling specified streets within defined periods of time, drawing attention to the power or the sound of the vehicle, or creating a convoy that impedes the flow of traffic.
http://www.police.govt.nz/advice/driving-and-road-safety/driving-rules-and-legislation

d.snell, Sep 21, 5:10am
if you guys took the time to read the comments at the end of the stuff article, maybe you would have seen this and maybe see it in a different perspective than the dramatic footage that is quite deceptive.

Jimmyt
100 meters of clear road at the end of the manoeuvre, 90km 25m per second by your calculation he is 25m short of that.

Jimmyt
I didn't need to break heavily, I could see what he was doing, storm in a tea cup.

Jimmyt
Did I mention I was driving the fuel tanker, so I had a good look at it and poor judgement, tight squeeze could have been worse but wasn't, we move on.

sadmuddle, Sep 21, 6:11am
The problem is I could film this sort of driving every day

philltauranga, Sep 21, 6:53am
Noddy, in the cyclist thread, I thought you would have picked up on the point the cyclists didnt appear to slow down at the start of the straight and wave the bus past. seemingly a total lack of consideration to the heavy bus driver!
thats why I called you a hypocrite. guess you missed that?

On point in this thread, those people who sit close behind trucks without passing when conditions allow are a pain in the fuknrse when we are trying to be courteous, and move over and slow down to allow passing.
I agree with the *point* you are making. just not the example you are using.
just like the advanced driver training thread, I agree with the *point* it should be a compulsory part of the licence, I just didnt agree with the example you used to make that point. but you thought we all missed the point!

headcat, Sep 21, 7:00am
So? It is hardly news that some people drove down the road and did not die or even take evasive action. Hardly worth the aggravation shown here.

sadmuddle, Sep 21, 9:43am
If the driver has a bit of history he will be dismissed. and the thought of goat in charge of driver training , my god.

sadmuddle, Sep 21, 11:06am
If there was time to take evasive action there would be no accidents ever .What sort of dope are you on?

purplegoat, Sep 21, 11:24am
Righto , so cyclists in an organised RACE that has been approved by the relevant road controlling authority and has an approved traffic management plan in place should disrupt there race and slow down . Tui anyone

snoopy221, Sep 21, 12:19pm
There ya go-fixed it for ya

the thought of goat in charge of driver training , my god.

. Tui anyone

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philltauranga, Sep 21, 12:27pm
A little courtsey towards the heavy vehicle driver on a narrow winding road with few opportunities to pass, would not go amiss, as a driving assessor you would know damn well they dont have the acceleration abilitys to pull out and accelerate away. Its pretty obvious they are group riding so slowing a bit for a breif period in a situation like this, when a heavy vehicle is stuck behind them, would have FUKALL effect on a race, and you blodywell know that dont you!
Regardless of the fact it is all legal, DONT FORGET they are still on a PUBLIC ROAD.
This attitude you have in the situation I have highlighted is the EXACT reason why truckies and cyclist will never get along.
We could streatch this thread into 5 pages debating this but we all know neither of us will back down on our opinions, so there is no point, call me any name you like, my opinion wont change. *I* see it as a lack of courtsey on the racing cyclists behalf, they dont need to do it for cars *obviously*

snoopy221, Sep 21, 12:32pm
A little courtsey towards the heavy vehicle driver on a narrow winding road with few opportunities to pass, would not go amiss, as a driving assessor you would know damn well they dont have the acceleration abilitys to pull out and accelerate away

Passes philtauranga a *Tui*

Counts gears splits- as ya do LOL

trogedon, Sep 21, 1:51pm
TARGA is car racing on public roads that inconveniences people who want to use those roads for 'normal' activities but I’ve never read you moaning about that. You’re either misinformed or a hypocrite – or both.