Diesel car won't start in the morning? Please help
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splinter67,
Oct 19, 9:26pm
my thoughts as well
intrade,
Oct 19, 9:33pm
could well be we hope not i think the poster has no money for another car. so lets just not think the worst.
snoopy221,
Oct 19, 11:04pm
Reads like the garage/mechanic sadly never checked if the old glow plugs were functional-or getting voltage before replacing. If! the Original Poster comes back-MILEAGE. would be handy-I.E. 1 to 200 thousand clicks-possibly pre pump on filter 200 thou plus-maybe heading more to front pump seal. Both relatively easy to confirm by O.P. Or yip. compression test.
ptda,
Oct 19, 11:32pm
This sounds very much like the Diesel Pump is leaking air in. Time to get a new diesel pump.
splinter67,
Oct 19, 11:39pm
yup thats what it sounds like
ozz1,
Oct 20, 2:06am
could be glow plugs, could be primer leak.! could be timer.!.but if 4m40. more probably front seal on injector pump.have replaced quite a few due to hard seal AND wear on shaft.just leave seal out 1-2mm instead of refitting it fully andit doesnt then run on worn shaft.groove. (very common fault). cheaper than refitting new injector pump shaft. but. check the easy parts first.
luxy,
Oct 20, 4:00am
change your clock so that itdoes not know it is morning!
nzdoug,
Oct 20, 4:58am
Are you waiting until the glow plug light goes out before engaging rhe starter motor! My last diesel was a 84 BJ 42 SWB Toyota Landcruiser, and that was the proceedure, not sure if thats the proceedure on a Pajero.
english_rose,
Oct 20, 6:17am
I have a toyota surf hilux. Different car I know lol.but I have the same problem and have to pump the fuel pump in the mornings. I dont have the problem just in the mornings, sometimes its in the afternoons if I havent run the car all day. Im not a mechanic, hubby is, but I try and park where the car is going to get sun in the morning too.ya know what its like, mechanic for a hubby and the car doesnt get fixed lol. Im waiting on a new fuel filter and an oil change. Suggested glow plugs to hubby and got "nah they ok" lol
mechnificent,
Oct 20, 6:24am
If pumping the hand pump before trying the starter prevents the problem, then yeshe is right.
3412cat,
Oct 20, 12:05pm
question! how does the engine oil get into the fuel pump! even with a faulty seal and shaft on the fuel pump ! being that there is no direct oil feed to the drive shaft other then via meshing gears,would it not be more likely that fuel would leak out of the pump via the worn seal and shaft ! funny my nissan diesel i had with 189000km started leaking fuel after having an additive to stop leaks my 91 hilux with nearly 1/2 million km and no additives still as dry as new.as for the mitsi check the lift pump then the glow system.
v8power,
Oct 20, 6:08pm
This FTW hahaha
intrade,
Oct 20, 8:11pm
ok the diesel pumps are flanged to the engine positive pressure from crank pushes diesel in to the pump who is sucking fuel not pushing it out at this part of the injector pump. You added a additve that stops leaks by swelling seals. your seal was already so far gonthat it had cracked so when it started swelling it broke and the thing started leaking . all logically explaindthe stuff is no mechanic in a bottle that glues seals back togather. i think i explained it all for you now.
mm12345,
Oct 20, 8:39pm
My 2c worth: If the pump or fuel lines were leaking air, then it would probably also be running like a bag of bones when warm and under load. It might be a lift pump or fuel supply problem. blockage, sticky fuel cut solenoid or loose wire, bunged up filter or gauze somewhere, but again that's also likely to cause fuel starvation / power loss under load, not just dying under low load/idle. The OP reports that it starts drives 500m, then dies - so I don't think it's glow plugs - at least not all of them.Even if it fires up with only a couple of pots glowed, then it should keep going (rough possibly) - not die.The plugs need checking though - and that's dead easy. The injector pump is going to have a cold-start system, mechanical or solenoid operated from a temp sensor somewhere.That could be not working properly (this increases injection volume/advances injection timing to increase duration and fuel injection volume when cold - it's why old diesels should sound extra rattly from pre-ignition when they're cold started, as well as blow some black smoke). A 94 diesel probably has about 1/2 zillion km on the clock, probably another half zillion done with the odo disconnected by a previous owner avoiding RUC.God knows what the compression is like.God knows what the pump and injectors are like.God knows if someones been tinkering with the injector pump timing or settings.Could easily be a combination of things.If you can't work it out yourself by a careful process of elimination, then stabbing at things based on suggestions made in forums probably isn't going to fix it, so take it to a diesel specialist mechanic, and get the problems diagnosed properly before throwing money at it.
splinter67,
Oct 20, 8:43pm
come on mm12345 your talking sense you know thats not allowed on here lol but your right
chebry,
Oct 20, 8:53pm
A beltdriven injector pump has no oportunity to injest engine oil read the OPs post its on a pajero your test procedure is irrelevant
mrfxit,
Oct 20, 9:08pm
OHHHhh good grief ppl . the o/p DIDN'T say it dies after 500meters
This BIT .>>
"If it gets started I can drive 500m, stop, and restart no problem."
akfuel,
Oct 20, 9:31pm
chebry try reading post 9 with your glasses on pajero 2.8 = 4m40 gear driven not 2.5 or 2.6 belt driven DO some home work
mrfxit,
Oct 20, 9:37pm
For the others that read WHAT they want to. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "I can drive it 500m down the road, stop the car and it will restart with no issues" & "Starts fine every time after initial morning drama" & "It's a 1994 intercooler turbo 2.8l"
mechnificent,
Oct 20, 9:41pm
Actually, just about every single thing that mm12345 said is wrong.
He didn't even read the Op correctly.
kingfisher21,
Oct 20, 9:43pm
FFS, do any of you twats read properly! Read the original frickin post, I can bet my left testicle it is like I said earlier, plug timer or relays, it's the most common problem, all the doom and gloom merchants that think the pump or motor is rooted need to shut up.
kingfisher21,
Oct 20, 9:43pm
FFS, do any of you twats read properly! Read the original frickin post, I can bet my left testicle it is like I said earlier, plug timer or relays, it's the most common problem, all the doom and gloom merchants that think the pump or motor is rooted need to shut up. Take a lesson and start with the common problems first.
intrade,
Oct 20, 9:47pm
poster 1 has either got still a problem on glowsystem , or its got a air-leak that gets purged out hence it starts again 500 meter down the road . or its got low compressioni posted how to easy check if glowers wok just put your finger on the stem of the glowplug you should feal they are warm straight after it finished glowing no tools required for this and adding flashlube is also not to hard along with a new fuelfilter or winns edt fill the filter . and if the filter has black oil in when its removed then you have a worn pump shaft seal these wont be fixed by flashlube as they are a differnt seal type not a o ring that seals when it swells up.
low compression would be always hard starting when cold getting worse over time till it will start to turn in to a runaway diesel. like this heap once it does that you can only stall it in gear if its automatic you would need to block off the intake to stall it there is no other way to stop one that runs on its own sump oil. http://www.youtube.com/watch!v=Fw2r_lIRgpY
supernova2,
Oct 20, 9:50pm
Isint it just amazing how many people speed read and then burst into print without giving any thought whatsoever to what they have just read and even less thought to what they are going to say.
I'm no diesel expert but I'd say it an air leak too.Wonder what would happen with a crash start.
Bit off topic but mate had an old rodeo (70s model) on his farm which one day refusedf to start.We towed it down the road for 10k and it wouldn't start but ex manifold was warm so must have been sorta firing.Basic checks showed fuel at injectors etc.He just threw the whole rusty POS down a bank like all good farmers do!Always wonder what had gone wrong with it.Any ideas!
intrade,
Oct 20, 9:57pm
dont know but some have a shutter valve to close airsupplyi dont know what engine would have been in that but if it had that and it was shut then it would not have started even do there was almost nothing wrong. also blocked up exhaust will do the same We towd a astra and it would not start then it just started and stalled turned out the exhaust was blocked ------ could be anything cant tell unless you can actuarly inspect and diagnose something like that
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