I went to two specialist dealers hoping to trade my lovely car of the make they sell, for some ghastly but practical car on their lot. But the two lots were almost empty. Do they ship their unwanted cars off to other dealers immediately!
intrade,
Oct 31, 11:19pm
maybe they go out of business as its not worth the risk being forced to give a consumer guarantee for every heap they sell.
next-to-normal,
Oct 31, 11:25pm
trademe could be a good place to find a car
rsr72,
Oct 31, 11:35pm
Off on holiday spending their money at their Fiji beach house.
trade4us2,
Oct 31, 11:42pm
Yes but I have to sell my car first.
carstauranga001,
Nov 1, 12:17am
What are you selling and what do you want to buy! I'd be interested to know which dealers you are talking about too. Many dealers have lost lots of money in recent years which initially erodes stock levels, then they close. Many more never had any to start with and were full of consignment stock from wholesalers. Many of these have found it to hard to operate like this in todays market too.
kazbanz,
Nov 1, 12:33am
I suspect every dealer in town has been warnedf that "the guy with the old jag" is heading their way so are hiding all the stock you might want.
dr.doolittle,
Nov 1, 12:37am
Perhaps you need a re-think.
extrayda,
Nov 1, 1:11am
:-) I like the Jag.Want to swap for a cruddy old Cefiro Wagon!Pretty safe to park in most places :-)
carstauranga001,
Nov 1, 1:49am
OK I think I'm putting it all togeather now. Goes a bit like this. Specialist dealers. Jaguar. No stock. No money. lots of warranty claims. stuff all buyers of their product. gone broke.
franc123,
Nov 1, 2:19am
The sun is setting on the industry that provides cheapy imports from the land of the rising sun, the market is flat and anything decentfor sale is too expensive, ergo no money to be made. Most with any sense have already bailed. The other reason is tekkonogical, with computers taking over how motor cars operate JDM stuff is becoming less and less suitable for NZ with these display screens in the dash that are all in gobbledegook language that nobody else speaks and cost to convert if they can be converted at all. Thats why several of them are rushing to the UK to source vehicles now, well at least while ex rates are favourable. And then it will be to the next cheapest place with steering wheels on the right that they can get hooks into.
carstauranga001,
Nov 1, 2:24am
What a load of rubbish.
3tomany,
Nov 1, 2:42am
try trading a tractor i have a trade in variation of 14k but at the mo but the one who pays the worst has the best deal, weird!
lazzo,
Nov 1, 3:06am
There is more than one way to skin a cat. Dealers typically all operate the same, some will take some of the margin out of the new vehicle and use that to pump up the trade-in value but the purchase price won't differ much, others will just hit you with the best price by cutting the margin to give you a discount on the purchase price but they hit you with a realistic trade value. Most dealers will try and bring any traded vehicle into their stock as cheaply as they can so they can trade out of it again, others will just cut its throat and ditch it to the wholesaler who gives them the best 'cash-up'.
At the end of the day, it does not matter what the trade-in is worth, or what the equation looks like, the only figure that matters is the amount you need to write a cheque for.
3tomany,
Nov 1, 3:07am
yes absolutely
kazbanz,
Nov 1, 2:40pm
Now THIS is what has me banging my head against the ol brick wall. Why ohh why cant people do simple maths! If all the tractors you want to buy are the same then the ONLY thing to concider is how much cash you pull out of your pocket. Everything else is smoke n mirrors.
kazbanz,
Nov 1, 2:45pm
Franc---I said that cars in the 4-7k range would become harder to buy with this idiotic law change that happenedNoone believed me. You are seeing the result. One reason I feel its idiotic is because its only a blip.Nothing has actually been long term achieved. Now a rolling 9 year age limit for imports makes more sense
franc123,
Nov 1, 4:57pm
Oh dear the truth always hits a nerve with you dealers doesn't it.
supernova2,
Nov 1, 5:14pm
Simple maths was factored out of the education system as most NZ morons could not grab the concept ofa+b=c or c-a=b etc.
I'm with you all the way the only question that needs to be asked is "How much is this going to cost me!"
kazbanz,
Nov 1, 5:48pm
Franc you have it totally wrong --why im reacting to your post is that it is utterly frustrating telling people what WILL happen then when it does you get posts like yours. Look back 12 months and you will see that I predicted a shortage of 4-8k cars if the law was allowed to come into effect. Theres 10000 cars up for auction in Japan tomorrow but because of the idiotic law change we can only buy the post 2005 cars EVEN when the 2001-2004 car is identical in every mechanical way. Don't believe me! 1800cc bluebird silphy,Any funcargo,vitz,platz any suzuki swift -just off the top of my head. Ill bring you one compliant and one non compliant example and purely based on the ACTUALemmissions you tell which examples are and arent compliant.
kazbanz,
Nov 1, 5:58pm
ARRGG-- matey in the vein of this specific discussion YES. In the broader sense I just can't agree. Two cars that rolled out of the factory side by side -so were identical. One was regularly maintained,garaged and given decent drives The other was iregularly maintained .left outside and had a pack of dogs live inside. Then they get to NZ and the dealer with the first car fits new tyres,services the car and does everything that came up at compliance propperly. The second dealer leaves the car on snow tyres and boogies the car to pass compliance. One dealer is reputable and stands behind his product the other is a fly by nighter. On the internet the two cars are identical -but long term ones going to be a nightmare for the owner.
supernova2,
Nov 1, 7:20pm
I still think the "how much" is the key.In the case of the "good" car mentioned by you I would expect the upfront cost to be more and rightly so.In the case of the "bad" car the upfront should be much cheaper.However after say 5 years the cost of the "bad" car will probably be significantly more. Apart from the lack of maths the morons also have not been trained to observe and think so it more than likely that the moron will simply buy whatever is the cheepest at purchase.After all it will probably be written off doing a skid or some such so they not likely to worry about mtce or repair costs.
In the case of the "bad" car its likely that as dealer has nothing to loose he will accept the haggle and the moron will buy the junk and go away thinking "Wow I beat that bastard down - didnt I do well"
The other moronic thing to factor in is the concept of mines better than yours 'cause I paid zillions for it.A certain Toyota that recently sold for the zillionith time fits that mould.
tgray,
Nov 2, 1:19am
It's all about the failure of good intentions. I'm a fan of self regulation and the free market. 3 years ago, you could buy a 1996 corolla for low $2000's at auction and now the same car is going for $3000+. Natural attrition would have taken care of the old cars, withoutGovernment intervention. We are now faced with an even greater ageing fleet of cars as people choose to hang on to the existing stock rather than upgrade to newer ones. The result! higher prices. Last year, 80% of imports were sub 2005 and with the stroke of a pen, all these were banned. Has this benefited the average consumer! You be the judge.
kazbanz,
Nov 2, 2:44pm
supernova--the trouble is the "morons" are mostly just average kiwi's. Not bad people just people educated to not accept personal responsibility. I see it as the red shed mentality. Buying something from the red shed and expecting it to be as good quality as buying from a company that genuinely cares about the products they sell
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