80kw battery is good for @500km range. 80kw x .25c = $20. The IC engine is close to it's maximum for efficiency, hence the need for most manufacturers to cheat on their efficiency figures.
harm_less,
Oct 9, 2:00pm
It costs us about $4 to charge our Nissan Leaf from the mains and that is enough to drive 100-120km which more than covers our work commute for a week. So less than $16/month on the power bill, or much less if we use our PV to fill up 'with sunshine'.
Those with ICE vehicles waste most of the cost of your fuel's energy content on making heat and noise, and moving hundreds of motor parts up and down and round and around. So last century!
charie4,
Oct 9, 2:05pm
Hahaha one day you wont be able to buy anything else so you better look around for some good boots.
bigfatmat1,
Oct 9, 3:03pm
wont be in his lifetime.
huffalump,
Oct 9, 3:06pm
When they come out with a real 4x4 van with proper ground clearance, towing capability, usable load space and a good 500km+ battery life. then i'd think about it.
I'm very much of the opinion that electric vehicles will provide at least some of our day to day transportation in the future, there are however some fundamental issues that have yet to be addressed. The big elephant in the room is simply where are all the additional Kw/hours going to come from?
mals69,
Oct 22, 7:24am
Big yellow thing in the sky
sr2,
Oct 22, 7:34am
I rest my case.
mals69,
Oct 22, 7:46am
Jury please disregard the last statement
sr2,
Oct 22, 11:22am
Think about it; last year NZ burned a total of 28,000 terajoules of diesel and petrol while our whole national grid output was only 8,000. The irony is that both the fossil fuels and the hydro (etc.) power generation use power from our sun. The Elephant in the room isn't where the energy will come from (that's obvious) it's the infrastructure and technology that will be needed to harness it.
mals69,
Oct 22, 11:42am
“Thought about if“ - already started the infrastructure with being able to drive a nissan leaf few blocks from our home and charge it, once more people see the benefits from their friends etc going electric dare say be a snowball effect. Consumer demand will spring companies into making money from it.
Even now who wants to be the burke in the petrol muscle car having his doors well intruly blown off by grannie in her electric car ?
sr2,
Oct 22, 12:14pm
As yet there is no additional infrastructure, in fact we haven't significantly added to our power generation network for decades?
Sounds like an elephant in the room to me!
harm_less,
Oct 22, 12:50pm
Are you ignoring the growth of individual's infrastructures, because the uptake of PV installations is growing exponentially with an increasing number of those PV installations being used to charge EVs.
sr2,
Oct 22, 1:05pm
No not in the least, I'm pointing out that we haven't added any significant additional electricity generation capacity for years. The present reality is that even if only one out of 5 domestic residences plugged in an EV overnight our existing generation capacity would be exceeded.
sr2,
Oct 22, 1:13pm
I think we're on the same page mate; there are still some major technological and logistic challenges ahead and it's not going to happen overnight. I will add however that I think there is a promising future for suburban EV's in NZ.
jmma,
Oct 22, 1:48pm
Maybe a future for EV's, but in the mean time, how about getting to work on that petrol guzzling Vauxhall. Keeping my eye on it, My two Favourite's Vauxhall and Holden, keep up the good work (o:
Cheers for that mate; just finished another Targa and am starting on a big home -reno project (Brownie points with the lovely Mrs sr2) so the build thread is on the back burner - but not for long!
tony9,
Dec 23, 3:24am
Same for electric vehicles. They really only recover a small amount of energy from regen braking at the moment, and they do consume several Amps in standby mode. A big consumer is cooling fans and cabin environment.
mals69,
Dec 23, 3:34am
If you do the investment maths it ends up paying for itself instead of paying for some dude with a tea towel on his head togo out and buy his 20th lambo. The topic question could be when not will - one day electric will no doubt be the only offering till something else comes along. Oil fossil alright.
Will miss sound of a V8 but instant and more torque should help make up for it, V8 sound effects an option.
mals69,
Dec 23, 3:39am
Yeah ! Only seen yesterday old tiff on 5th gear test a tesla that looked like a lotus, and it got great range into the hundreds of miles and even three laps of a race track at tiff speed - full noise.
tony9,
Dec 23, 3:52am
Long time before it runs out. New technologies (fracking is one) and better exploration means more oil reserves have been identified in the last 10 years than has ever been recovered. So called Peak Oil is probably centuries away.
Trite comment - an old boss of mine used to say "Fair shares for all, as long as I get my share first".
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