Hmm is this the same clatty who made these comments in another thread You'd be hoping your dearly beloved ain't reading these threads . haha
QUOTE Put more police out there to write tickets out ,self funding training. The game if you want to play . Empty the Bank Account. QUOTE
QUOTE If the police pull up a reckless , dangerous or speeding vehicle licenced passengers should pay the same penalty as the driver.QUOTE
dr.doolittle,
Nov 3, 6:43pm
What about a 'dream catcher', will that work, or should i just try a feather duster?
cammey,
Nov 3, 6:46pm
If you don't understand physics, go and play in the recipes thread.
Or Knitting, if you are bright enough to be trusted with needles.
clatty,
Nov 3, 6:50pm
Stand by all of that . I own a SsangYong ute with a throttle pedal that is like holding a feather in one place but so far no tickets. Going back to the MOT days I copped 3 tickets on long straights about 12 k over. I decided F---- the B------ and they will never get me again.
tintop,
Nov 3, 7:07pm
Call that collection of urban myths physics ?
Read the link I posted about laser guns.
Oh - and perhaps you never realised why the NZ number plates ( black on white) are retroreflective - like traffic signs ? They reflect light back to the source even at large angles.
clatty,
Nov 3, 7:14pm
Pay the fine but make sure no more. Run a G P S unit.
esky-tastic,
Nov 3, 7:24pm
I laughed and laughed, well done!
esky-tastic,
Nov 3, 7:25pm
What about the old black ones? Are they laser proof?
tintop,
Nov 3, 7:37pm
No, as long as there is a return signal that can be picked up by the receiver, it can come off any part of the vehicle.
Its just that the retro-reflective plates return a stronger signal from a wider angle. No different from the reflective signs you see on the roadside at night. ( Except that the modern 3M sheeting uses sealed corner cube prisms rather than glass beads.)
beno,
Nov 3, 8:31pm
respray your entire car with the same paint used on the stealth bomber. that'll do the trick.
tintop,
Nov 3, 8:37pm
I think that is for radar rather than laser. :)
nzjay,
Nov 3, 9:19pm
I did read thank you. Seems to me there's a lot of points that could be contested. was the 'speed take' at long distance, was it hand held or on a tripod, how experienced was the operator, were there other vehicles in front or behind etc.
tintop,
Nov 3, 9:30pm
True- it's up to the defence to question the cop concerned in court to determine if the device was used in accordance within guide lines.
I have used them myself to establish average speed surveys, ( not for enforcement) they are simple to use and pretty much invisible when used leaning over the roof a an unmarked car. The speed display comes up almost immediately, and it is possible to pick out individuals in a queue easily. But for what I wanted it was used on lone free running vehicles.
porka1,
Nov 4, 4:41am
I had this argument with a cop when I wanted to see what time the radar got us .He said that it does not record the time so argued with him that it could have locked it on a couple of hours ago. Ridiculous in this day and age their radars don't record time.Cant see how it can stand up in court either unless the judicial system is corrupt.
cammey,
Nov 4, 5:09am
Its not about defeating the laser by eliminating the reflection like so called "cloaking" devices and number plate covers.
It uses EXACTLY the reverse principle. You give the laser several very very good multi-reflective reflective surfaces to hit.
The idea is to exploit the inability of the operator to hit EXACTLY the same point on the vehicle for a series of shots.
ie First shot hits number plate . A fraction of a second of angle away is a cats eye which reflects the next pulse, next pulse hits the plate again, next one hits another cats eye, next one hits the plate (which due to being sloped is a different distance from the observer) etc etc.
The laser needs a number of pulses all consistent with the same speed. It cant get that, if each reflection comes from a different place, that is a place a different distance from the observer.
Until it can get a consistent answer it will fail to lock, as the laser internally runs an algorithm to ensure it is not getting reflections from parts of the vehicle at different distances from the observer.
ree6,
Nov 4, 5:36am
No, it's up to the police to prove the driver was speeding, the defendant doesn't have to prove anything unless they're claiming their car is a shitter and won't go that fast etc etc. The police will prove that the laser gun was calibrated, that the user was certified and that the laser was locked on the correct target, end of story. Front line police have been wanting dash cams for ages but the dept won't finance them; they'd have nothing to offer in proving speed anyway. All the indignation in the world at being caught speeding isn't going to help.
clatty,
Nov 4, 5:47am
It is difficult to control the speed of vehicles . Our ford falcon will sit at 100k but my SsangYong ute is hopeless. When I bought it home for the first time I suddenly realised I was doing 140 kph. There was no sound or poles flying past to alert me.I rely on the GPS. To stay with in the limits we have deal with this problem
321mat,
Nov 4, 9:34am
Unfortunately, this style of ticketing is becoming more and more common, as the police allow themselves to become more and more corrupt (and with a ratbag like Mike Bush (Bruce Hutton's No. 1 fan) in charge, it's not hard to see why).
The ONLY real defense we have now is to have a camera located in car, so we can produce this at trial, and along with some basic algebra equations proving the speed, deflate the lies.
bigfatmat1,
Nov 4, 10:48am
if you take that ssangyong into the dealership they can adjust the responsiveness of the acc pedal
duncstars,
Nov 4, 11:18am
I thought the police didn't accept GPS as proof, only their own equipment. Just a thought, I did change lanes straight after the intersection and then changed back because there was a truck stopped in the lane waiting to turn. I wonder if that skewed the reading somehow.
duncstars,
Nov 4, 11:24am
It's $120
purplegoat,
Nov 4, 1:55pm
If you require a GPS to be able to differentiate between 100 and 140 kmn then please surrender your license immediately and start catching public transport . With that level of spatial awareness of what's happening around you you are a serious hazard to all other road users
clatty,
Nov 24, 3:03am
thanks goat
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