Thanks, but yeah - I'd still never buy one based on their styling.
Perceived reliability is one factor to consider when buying a vehicle for many.
For others, it's the be all and end all.
jesus2000,
Sep 25, 8:01am
Youtube is littered with people that have spent years struggling with their German cars then try something like a Lexus and thoroughly enjoy having a more reliable car.
This 2008 Lexus makes my 2007 VE SV6 Commodore feel like a slug.
sport_billy,
Sep 25, 8:30am
Yep, sure youre right - and equally I know many people that don't buy them or similar japanese/asian products for various reasons.
I also choose to ride a Ducati and an old Triumph - I am sure the same argument for/against these makes versus japanese motorcycles can be raised too.
But again, I personally wouldn't own a japanese one again but have in the past, regardless if they might be 'more' reliable or not.
jesus2000,
Sep 25, 8:40am
largely for snob appeal I would imagine.
Now in today's cov-19 world, with uncertainty in many job markets, can people continue to waste large sums of money on stupid money pit cars for reasons of vanity and snob appeal?
marte,
Sep 25, 8:44am
I'm doing this job on 2 cars at the same time as soon as I get all of the parts. It will be interesting to see how it goes, the more YouTube videos I see of it, the easier it looks.
sport_billy,
Sep 25, 8:54am
No, actually because I like the engineering, pedigree & history, styling, riding experience, value, ease of servicing to name a few reasons.
But thanks for your judgement on me and my choices, all because I don't seem to agree with your opinion.
People can spend their own money on what they wish to - if it brings enjoyment to them, who are we to judge? In the same environment as you note, should people spend money on conservative or boring cars that bring no enjoyment or thrill?
According to you it appears so.
Speaking for myself I like to enjoy things that I like, and if I happen to pay for that as a result for someone who has had a life threatening experience I am more than comfortable 'paying'. We only live once.
jesus2000,
Sep 25, 9:13am
See, you are looking down your nose and making judgements about people that don't drive German cars. They must be all boring people with no sense of enjoyment in life. No sense of appreciation of good engineering blah blah blah.
It is my sense of good engineering is why I don't like the German cars. Getting the last ounce of performance over durability and reliability and serviceability is the German way. It is simply a different approach to the engineering.
sport_billy,
Sep 25, 9:22am
Actually no, that's where we differ - I wasn't being personal about the person at all. Not looking down my nose, like i said it's individual choice and not an issue for me what people wish to do with their cash they earn, so I wouldn't knock them unlike you clearly making your assumption about my choices or reasoning. . Did I make a reference to "No sense of appreciation of good engineering blah blah blah" like you assume?
Says alot about your own personality and choices. Plenty of 'german' engineered items are durable, serviceable and reliable. Get off your high horse mate.
richardmayes,
Sep 25, 9:43am
No, I don't think the Cam belt on my Falcon has ever been changed.
bigfatmat1,
Sep 25, 10:10am
and a 2008 Lexus is a slug in comparison to my 426kw twin turbo v10 audi wagon
jesus2000,
Sep 25, 10:18am
When you said. "Thanks, but yeah - I'd still never buy one based on their styling". seems like a very superficial snobbish thing to say.
(like mh1989 that thinks a GS350 "looks disgusting like a camry". OMG how dreadful, a Camry!)
I wouldn't buy a German car because for one, most still on the road these days have lots of plastic in the engine bays that are biodegradable and become very brittle after a few years. So my decision is based on the engineering side of things.
jesus2000,
Sep 25, 10:23am
And how often do you use all of that 570hp when cruising down state highway 1?
Yes German cars are good at winning the specification wars in the car magazines. If that comes at the cost of long-term durability and reliability, is it really worth it for the bragging rights?
bigfatmat1,
Sep 25, 10:35am
quite often actually.
sport_billy,
Sep 25, 10:37am
In your opinion you think it's a very superficial snobbish thing to say.
In mine, like I said it's a personal choice and a decision I make when spending my own cash. I like aesthetics, design and types of styling of which Lexus doesn't fit.
Take that as snobbish and make your own assumption on me as you wish. Apparently liking german and italian things over others makes me snobby and superficial.
jesus2000,
Sep 25, 10:49am
Sure would be a fun car to drive, but no thanks to the costs involved in maintaining it. Even the owner of this V10 S6 doesn't want to spend the money to service/fix the engine right now.
We bought a V6 Estima to replace our aging Falcon station wagon. It took about a week to sell the Falcon so for a few days there I had 420hp sitting in my driveway, I thought that was something.
The 1971 Triumph PI with 130hp and a gearbox and a clutch, and an engine that doesn't really want to idle, remains the most fun and rewarding car I've owned by a mile. (When it was actually running. Some day she will be running again.)
But I guess in this day and age of traction control, and electronic stability control, and electronic mind control, and compulsory auto transmissions, I can see why people would need a squillion horsepower to be able to have fun.
kazbanz,
Sep 25, 11:19am
I guess it does come down to what is important to you. Whats important to me won't be important to the next guy/gal. For me a comfortable drivers seat that's not sitting on the ground is important. For me an interior that aint worried about getting a bit (more) beaten up is important. For me BIG space in the back is important.
gph1961,
Sep 25, 1:57pm
pretentious? moi?
bumfacingdown,
Sep 25, 2:20pm
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