That's lots of 'should' and 'shouldn't', however that isn't real world driving.
IMO, its all an attitude thing. When I was young, I HAD to pass everything on the road. Now I'm old, I fit in with the traffic flow. Pluses for the now attitude is reduced stress/anger at others, less fuel consumption and I still arrive 'about' the same time, 'cos passing all those cars never seemed to get me much further ahead in the long run.
flitt,
Dec 27, 1:40pm
Sounds to me more like NOBODY should be overtaking because the road is at max potential.
Maybe here's half the problem. Some folk think they shouldn't have to wait like everybody else.
tonyrockyhorror,
Dec 27, 3:29pm
Really, those are the only two options! Yeah, right.
romulan7,
Dec 27, 4:35pm
You like being wrong!
No mocking just pointing out that people who overtake into the waiting arms of the constabulary are missing a hazzard!If they miss that hazzard how many other hazzards did they miss before considering the pass! But like flitt pointed out explaining that to some is like trying to pull teeth on a chicken.
vtecintegra,
Dec 27, 4:47pm
I got caught in the diversion too (fairly early on) and have to say almost everyone was pretty well behaved around the back.
The exception was someone in a rented truck who we'd been stuck behind since well before the diversion - they were traveling at around 60km/h and didn't stop to let the queue behind them past even though there were multiple places they could have safely pulled over.
romulan7,
Dec 27, 4:52pm
I did three trips yesterday afternoon back and forth between Ohakune and Rangipo on SH47/SH4 and was surprised to say the least that we did not come across another incident!Dozens of near misses and yes one cop was a lone reminder on that piece of road and we were quite happy to see him picking off a few idiots. More than a little grateful that the vollies be them ambulance or Fire were not called out along the north side this time year most people are out of town so the stupidity that causes crashes takes a while to respond to. I figure thats something a lot of the idiots forget is how long it takes help to arrive!30 minutes not unknown before a crew with the right gear can arrive to cut someone out! A long time to be trapped in a vehicle. Last night quite a few of us who know that road where wondering if we were going to be witness of another death or serious injury.
scotty20001,
Dec 27, 4:55pm
wong2 i never thought i would say this but i agree with you entirely!
romulan7,
Dec 27, 4:57pm
I was taught the roadcraft style of advanced driving and that is not written in that or any advanced driving technique manual.You leave sufficant space in front of you to abort an overtaking manaver if you need to and to build up speed before passing the intended overtaken vehicle. The technique also impacts their attempts to accelerate while you are passing ;)
flitt,
Dec 27, 5:05pm
The suggestion is that someone with poor driving ability + being on the 'wrong part of the road' was probably coupled with the fact that they were driving too fast.
The significance of the desert road crash, (in a thread where a lot are moaning about the police attempting to lower general speed in an effort to lower the accident rate over the xmas period) is an example of an incident where speed is more than likely the cause of the crash.
Yes, it could be something else, but it is more than likely rooted in that they were travelling too fast for their level of skill/concentration/knowledge of the road etc.
I hope you get it this time.
vtecintegra,
Dec 27, 5:08pm
We don't know the cause of the crash. It could have been anything at this point.
flitt,
Dec 27, 5:10pm
Reading back, it seems I have covered that point already.
vtecintegra,
Dec 27, 5:14pm
No you haven't, you are jumping to conclusions.
tonyrockyhorror,
Dec 27, 5:14pm
It's you who needs to get it.
tonyrockyhorror,
Dec 27, 5:15pm
Oh, no. It was certainly poor driving ability.
flitt,
Dec 27, 5:28pm
I am not trying to solve the desert road crash.
I am pointing out that 'being on the wrong part of the road' is not something that causes accidents.
Something else precedes being on the wrong part of the road, even if someone was ever on the wrong part of the road in the first place.
Someone here thinks that being on the wrong part of the road is a cause of motor vehicle collision.
That same person also thinks that poor driving ability is a cause of motor vehicle collisions.
These are elements to a collision, yes.
But the primary factor, in collisions such as most on the desert road, is speed.
Whether this turns out to be the case in this particular instance or not is irrelevant.
I am merely pointing out that speed is a primary factor in most cases. Not all; most.
9 times out of 10 the collision may have been avoided if the speed were less. Nevermind the ice, penguin, mobile phone, road collapse, etc, etc, etc.
flitt,
Dec 27, 5:30pm
tony, i just read your post up there. Absolute waffle. Can't be bothered.
vtecintegra,
Dec 27, 5:35pm
9 times out of 10 the collision could have been avoided if both parties were paying full attention. Never mind the speed they were traveling.
Speed is but one contributing factor there are usually others - 100km/h isn't magically safe after all
flitt,
Dec 27, 5:44pm
Sigh.
Yes, i agree with you. Attention is also a primary factor.
This is a thread about speed. Speed is also a primary factor.
Speed isn't the primary factor in ALL collisions. But it is in a lot.
Driving ability isn't a primary factor.
romulan7,
Dec 27, 5:52pm
The sooner all patrol vehicles are equipped with cameras and the sooner lawyers stop defending the guilty without trying to find a loophole then maybe a few people here will start to eat humble pie.
No of course not the ones arguing will keep doing so even with the proof viewable.
Meanwhile we will still need people to go out and pick up the pieces because those of you who want to argue against the laws in place will not get involved in cleaning up the mess either.
flitt,
Dec 27, 5:55pm
Is it coincidental to some to realise that govt/police try to raise awareness of the primary factors! They also convict & fine in line with the primary factors quite commonly.
But, people will come in here whinging about revenue collecting and how they know better and that they should be able to drive as fast as they want.
The problem is it's just a little greyer than the ones we already accept without argument. Drunk driving is pretty much taboo now for most. We all get the seatbelts.
Why do some have this problem of seeing the other main contender (speed) addressed by police!
anr,
Dec 27, 9:25pm
Gotta say i agree totally about passing. I find it safer to overtake and not worry about how fast i'm going until it's done. I wonder how many crashes are caused by people spending more time looking at the magic 104 mark on the speedo than looking at the road. Oh and in 3.5 hours of open road driving i saw one cop today and he didn't even have his radar on. All accidents are caused by bad choices. Nothing else. Just a human making a bad choice.
tonyrockyhorror,
Dec 27, 9:41pm
Not when it's only a factor, not the primary factor, in 35% of fatal crashes as above. Whereas poor driving is a factor in almost EVERY SINGLE fatal (or otherwise) crash. Very few are vehicle fault or 'Act of God' like rockfalls.
tonyrockyhorror,
Dec 27, 9:42pm
In reality you just can't rebutt the facts.
hyphen,
Dec 27, 10:50pm
ha, ha, you 2 are like a couple of women arguing, I bet you both start sentences with 'no, no, no.', and continue pointlessly because you both want the last word. BTW I can easily profile your marital status, type of vehicles and abuse quotient from your arguments, jfyi
romulan7,
Dec 27, 11:44pm
Re read to the context of the original reply.
It does because if you get caught speeding while overtaking you obviously missed the hazzard ahead of the cop with a speed gun.
Theres a clip on youtube of a cop car laying in wait on hatched markings on s lip road on the Auckland Motorway!On a hill even and was visible quite a distance back, yet some plank still did not see the car and ease off the hot pedal.
Same goes for your single carriegeway overtaking !You should look for the hazzards before oiveratking many fail on that and the cop car laying in wait is one those hazzards.
I saw that today cop car side of the road easy enough for me to spot but not the guy in front of me who decided to boost passed the vehicle in front of him.You can guess the outcome!
btw, Desert Road was closed this afternoon by a crash!I wonder what the cause of that will be!
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