So if you were a few days late paying your GST you would be happy with a 1000% Fine?
What about if you were not allowed to pay your water rates until your accountant had finished your end of year financials?
This is much the same kind of stupidity.
It's not the fact there is a tax. It's the abuse of the tax system to create more revenue. Even worse, it targets our poorest citizens who have to regularly choose between being a couple of weeks behind on their vehicle license vs going to the doctor or something else important.
Lastly, the whole idea of an "extra" tax is absurd and inefficient in itself. Far easier and much less money wasted to add it to the petrol tax or some such. Sadly though, no massive additional fines revenue when you do it that way.
thejazzpianoma,
Oct 16, 8:53pm
It also needs a "you missed the point" button.
gunhand,
Oct 16, 9:08pm
$79 a year is a "big wad of cash" Twyford said? Thats about $6.50 a month. Now if it were motorcycles. its still only $47ish a month, but still too much.
tgray,
Oct 16, 9:25pm
Stop making excuses for law breakers. There is nothing wrong with the current system. If you relax the enforcement process, then thousands more people would not bother paying up on time, with the same lame excuses. Making the analogy of going to the doctor or paying your rego is inflammatory and misleading. That is not the reason why the vast majority don't bother to pay and you know this. Rego is not expensive now and I simply don't buy the poverty line.
scuba,
Oct 16, 9:28pm
mugs
thejazzpianoma,
Oct 16, 9:44pm
You are still missing the point.
Why would people not pay with: * Continuous licensing meaning you have to pay it all anyway * Debt collection action if you don't pay. * Your car becoming effectively worthless if deregistered (and you still will be debt collected)
Do you need someone sneaking around slapping you with a 1000% to make you pay your other bills?
Saying my statement was inflammatory and misleading is also ill considered as this is exactly the sort of decision New Zealands poor face every day. If you read the article they even allude to this sort of issue. To dismiss it out of hand just shows how out of touch you are with those who are struggling, and before you say it. Not everyone is struggling due to their own decision making, plenty of very ill and disabled in this country struggling on next to nothing. I can think of at least one on these boards regularly actually.
Again, to make this crystal clear. The problem is NOT the amount of the tax, it's how they go about collecting it which is not only inefficient and wasteful but also deliberately engineered as a revenue gatherer through an unfair penalty system.
It's a TAX therefore it should have similar enforcement and penalties to every other tax. This shouldn't be difficult to understand.
thejazzpianoma,
Oct 16, 9:49pm
Which is exactly the point, the label is only there as a fines revenue device.
therafter1,
Oct 16, 9:57pm
Obviously the info most certainly shouldn't be available to freakin council parking wardens, what's it gotta do with them whether you are currently licensed or not . it seems for half of the infringement fee (commission) the council become a collector for the state lol
strobo,
Oct 16, 10:16pm
I'd imagine the fines money is rolled back into road construction and safety programmes , administration etc The ACC Motor Vehicle levy Account that covers the medical costs related to injuries that happen on public roads. Other stuff like the Safety Standards , Audit and Standards etc. I don't know why there are moaners and whingers about it ,just pay it up. put up and shut up.and get on with living. If you think its too costly then try compare our neighbor AU then make a judgement call.Some people just lack foresight about where money goes and what it is used for.It's a necessary evil but none the less it is necessary to keep the wheels turning in a good way.! Ya don't know how lucky you are mate!
thejazzpianoma,
Oct 16, 10:22pm
Australia only seems more costly because of their tax structure. As far as I am aware all fines go in to the consolidated fund so you are wrong there. Even if they did go back in to roads that is not excuse for an unfair and inefficient tax system.
The Government has the ultimate privilege of being able to put their hands in our pockets at whim. They should respect that privilege and not tax us unfairly, dishonestly or waste our money through inefficiency. This situation does all three.
kindajojo,
Oct 16, 10:37pm
Dot get a rego you need a wof . or is it the other way around, either way it's a way of regulating vehicles, fine fo away with it, so,the guy who rear ends you and gives you a false name . I am sure you can track down. Gives a starting point as to who owns the car. ACC levy. is connected to the car
Think it through
strobo,
Oct 16, 10:41pm
It doesn't matter if it goes into a consolidated fund ,possibly there are good reasons for that financially and it's the governments prerogative to do that ,therefore so what?,Its not all about tax in AU either , consider Insurance as one example ,It is great but if it become compulsory here then it adds to the cost of keeping a car legally on the road ,the cost will skyrocket and therefore even less affordable for those who can't afford it.! And paying fines in AU for not complying is far worse than here! Have another think about that .
sw20,
Oct 16, 10:43pm
The UK is a cesspool. Hardly a shining light of great governance.
thejazzpianoma,
Oct 17, 12:32am
If your argument was sound you wouldn't have to try and change the subject in to insurance. If you can't even understand that wasting taxpayers money on an inefficient system is bad. well sorry but you are not going to understand the rest of my points.
strobo,
Oct 17, 6:07am
You are dribbling on again . !
tgray,
Oct 17, 8:55am
Because someone doesn't agree with you, it doesn't necessarily mean they have missed the point.
thejazzpianoma,
Oct 17, 9:19am
True, however you are clearly insisting this is a licensing cost issue, which it's not. Licensing fees are very reasonable, what the problem is, is how inefficient the system of collection is and also how unfair the penalties are compared to other tax.
Everyone is welcome to their own opinion. However when someone thinks its fine to waste taxpayer money and time on an inefficient and dishonest system. you have to wonder why they are being so illogical.
gazzat22,
Oct 17, 9:37am
Who ?the people who dont pay?
esky-tastic,
Oct 17, 11:56am
You tell 'im!
esky-tastic,
Oct 17, 12:02pm
"Or something else important" liike another carton of Codys or a tinny of weed or some more smokes. Each week.
esky-tastic,
Oct 17, 12:03pm
Only if the rego is out. And then most of the time cops give compliance to get it done.
scuba,
Oct 17, 12:31pm
no- the people who let such an over the top system of punishment become law. Jazz has a point the only reason the system exists is to establish who owns the vehicle as to punish people who own older cars with an excessive Acc tax., There is no need to punish the majority of people for the crimes of the few who have no intention of paying a rego fee. Big stick instead of small carrot- just offer a discount for those that pay on time or ahead of time. As years have passed fines have got much bigger and had no effect on serial offenders who have no intention of paying them. Ask yourself what will happen to the punter that got all those tickets for unpaid regos on the one vehicle?
bumfacingdown,
Dec 21, 8:41am
Yeah, because my older vehicle costs less than half the price of my newer vehicle "Big stick instead of small carrot-" Maybe you are a glass half empty sort of person, the carrot is pay for it on time, the stick is it will cost when you get caught with out it updated, especially if you are silly enough to be in a car park with wardens writing out tickets "There is no need to punish the majority " If the majority pay on time how are they getting punished? "Ask yourself what will happen to the punter that got all those tickets for unpaid regos on the one vehicle?" He was a twat and probably got those fines sitting on his tab
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